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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: fatphunker on May 01, 2008, 09:55:43
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SEAT BELT ON OR OFF WHEN OFF ROADING WHAT DO YOU LIKE TO DO JUST POST YOUR VOTE THANKS!!
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i prefer off.
you can hang out of the window and watch your articulation ;)
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i prefer off.
you can hang out of the window and watch your articulation Wink
..and get crushed when you get it wrong. Dumb Dumb Dumb.
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Surely the poll should read ON and OFF, not Yes and No.....
I have mine ON.
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It's a well instilled habit to put it on when I get in a car now - doesn't feel right not to have it on anymore.
i dont ware mine going on road nevermind off road
I guess in the event of an accident you're the guy that goes through the windscreen to get help?
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Not sure what this has to do with greenlaning ... the law requires you to wear your seatbelt on a public road. Except when reversing :)
cheers, Ross K
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Not sure what this has to do with greenlaning ... the law requires you to wear your seatbelt on a public road. Except when reversing :)
cheers, Ross K
I agree and with uniformed Police officers now seating in as passengers in ordinary looking 4x4's driving around most of the popular lanes in North Wales then I would expect more proscuetions.
Plus its still unwise even at 5 mph a sudden joiet can send you into the windscreen, and don't forget the kids in the back
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Okay, this was originally posted in the green laning section and folk were questioning whether or not to wear a seatbelt. :-k
Laning and 'off-roading' are not the same thing. A lane is a public road and as such, all laws of the road apply, therefore seatbelts must be used (with the caveat of age of vehicle etc).
If the thread however, does concern proper 'off-roading' (the legitimate driving off-highway with the land owners permission), then it gets moved to the bar where it ould be more appropriate!
Anything for an easy life! :lol:
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I don't know any Motor sport governing body that condones not wearing a seat belt at any speed. Yes I, like most people will 'forget' to fasten my seat belt while gently cruising a Pay n Play site, but generally my advice would be without question - ON AT ALL TIMES. I would also expect that the rules governing the use of licensed pay n play sites require the use of seat belts at all times.
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on all the time ,,, [-X
Good example to the kids ;)
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For RTV trials, you only need a minimum of a lap belt, so I fitted one as an addition to my main seatbelt. I use the lap belt on its own when "Off-Road" at a trial or P&P site.
We all know that the inertia seatbelts can be a pain if they lock up when on rough terrain, but the lap belt gives you some freedom of movement, without the risk of being thrown out of the vehicle should you roll over.
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I have mine on when offroading i do find it restricts you to much though...
Cheers Gav
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i use mine off-road. i find its easier to be held in place than all over the place. [-X
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On, even on private sites. Find it tends to hold me in the seat so I can concentrate on driving rather than bracing myself!
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On. so use to belting up the moment I get in even if it's just down the back ally from where I park to the gate at the end.
Well on greenlanes it's a legal requirement anyway unless the vehicle is old enough not to have them fitted just as it is on any other road.
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I wear it all the time, just a habit now, I even forget to take it off some times when I jump out to open a gate :oops: :oops:
It can hurt... honest :oops:
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on all the time ,,, [-X
Good example to the kids ;)
Totally Agree :)
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i dont ware mine going on road nevermind off road :lol: :lol:
I only hope you never have an accident where you chew the steering wheel, because maxofacial injuries are some of the worst to treat, and can make artificial respiration impossible to give.
Plus no insurance comany will pay out for any injuries caused when they know you weren't wearing it.
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on at all times :police: i wear it always when driving just to be safe but i do find its holding on to the steering wheel that keeps me in my seat rather than head butting the roof :lol:
definatly wear it!
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100% on, I didnt fit seats and harness so not to wear them, been in a roll without a seatbelt and it hurts like hell :oops:
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It entirely depends on the situation for me. On roads, obviously I have it on. For most greenlaning I have it on. For a lot of off-road, I have it on, but sometimes I don't put it on if I'm just trundling along some tracks or across a field.
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Always on, regardless of where I am. There is the argument that it could get stuck if you roll, but that why I always carry a penknife on the car keys..
Plus it would be very hypocritical of me to be issueing £30 'reminders' to people if I didn't wear one myself. :police:
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Only crazy folk dont wear their seat belt off roading
I've seen to many cars roll now that you'd need a death wish not to buckle up
:-k
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I put the shoulder part behind when I'm on pay and play sites. But am looking at harnesses, as I find normal seat belts can twisted your back if the ground is a bit rough. I'm a bit obsesive about wearing my seat belt, was drumed in as a child.
Although a quick query for the plods, is it legal for delivery or taxi drivers to not use their seat belts if they are doing lots of short trips. Which require them to exit the vehicle at every stop?
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by law, taxi drivers dont have to. apparently. :roll:
something to do with like being attacked or something!
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ON and i tell all my passengers to put them on too, Just incase
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Jimmy Saville, clunk click every trip.....
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mine goes on if im about to do somthing stupid. other than that i stays off, constantly getting in and out and it becomes a pain in the neck, literally.
The simple fact is that its very easy to judge when you might need it and when not.at least 70% of the off roading i do carries no risk of rolling. when i get to somthing dangerous or unpredictable i belt up.
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Watch this film ...
at the beginning of the film would you say parking the car was a safe time to take off your seat belt???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMLt28n0-M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMLt28n0-M)
Sorry you just never know ;) belt on...
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thats very good but i would love to see him do it in low 2nd.
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in fairness it was a woman driver :evil: :grin:
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Exactly, you never know!
I do all the time, laning or whatever.
It's part of our events supplemetary regs.
No belts, no drive!!
And that's even if it was built without the need for them. Seen too many rolls to think otherwise, even at the slow speeds we use.
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Ben I'd start running if I were you [-X [-X [-X :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: they will never catch me, with driving like that anyway :dance: :dance:
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You have to sleep sometime :lol: :lol: bobit
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I put the shoulder part behind when I'm on pay and play sites. But am looking at harnesses, as I find normal seat belts can twisted your back if the ground is a bit rough. I'm a bit obsesive about wearing my seat belt, was drumed in as a child.
Although a quick query for the plods, is it legal for delivery or taxi drivers to not use their seat belts if they are doing lots of short trips. Which require them to exit the vehicle at every stop?
Delivery drivers must wear seat belts (unless reversing) no matter how frequently they stop. White van man is one of the worst offenders for not wearing seat belts.
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I put the shoulder part behind when I'm on pay and play sites. But am looking at harnesses, as I find normal seat belts can twisted your back if the ground is a bit rough. I'm a bit obsesive about wearing my seat belt, was drumed in as a child.
Although a quick query for the plods, is it legal for delivery or taxi drivers to not use their seat belts if they are doing lots of short trips. Which require them to exit the vehicle at every stop?
Delivery drivers must wear seat belts (unless reversing) no matter how frequently they stop. White van man is one of the worst offenders for not wearing seat belts.
I though "milk men" we allowed not to wear them
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On All the time, If you go on to you tube there are some interesting "Arab Drifting accidents" where theare not wearing seat belts and get ejected from the car.
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Did loose a friend a few years back, was trown out of the cab of his truck when it fliped on it's side. He ended up with the cab crushing his pelvis, died 3 days later in hospital from his injuries. This was at slow speeds on a round-about. Would think the few seconds to put on/remove a seat belt would be better lost than the remaining years of your life.
Even if you think you have a very little chance of rolling off road, you should belt up. It doesn't take much for environment to suddenly change and catch you out.
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For those who think it's safe to "trundle" around and only belt up when it's something challenging...
I was on board when this happened to a driver in 1st gear low box... Had we not been wearing our seatbelts it would have been washing machine time. I was very comfortable to be hanging upside down when things came to a stop.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t79/Skibum346/Land%20Rover%20General/1.jpg)
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Also, I wonder what ths statistics are for seat belt buckles jamming in the event of an accident. Are we talking about something that is unlikely but has become an urban myth?
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Looks similar to Range Rover Red last year who had a similar roll. Just shows how easy it can be. I take it that's on an off road site somewhere?
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I put the shoulder part behind when I'm on pay and play sites. But am looking at harnesses, as I find normal seat belts can twisted your back if the ground is a bit rough. I'm a bit obsesive about wearing my seat belt, was drumed in as a child.
Although a quick query for the plods, is it legal for delivery or taxi drivers to not use their seat belts if they are doing lots of short trips. Which require them to exit the vehicle at every stop?
Delivery drivers must wear seat belts (unless reversing) no matter how frequently they stop. White van man is one of the worst offenders for not wearing seat belts.
Apologies to all, I forgot about the 2005 amendment to the seat belt rules, which has the following exemption from wearing a seat belt:
- [the driver of or a passenger in a goods vehicle on a journey not exceeding 50 metres undertaken for delivering or collecting anything], [Motor Vehicles (Wearing of Seat Belts) (Amendment) Regulations 2005 - 01/03/2005]
lso apologies to white van man, if he's reading this :D
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For those who think it's safe to "trundle" around and only belt up when it's something challenging...
So what would you say about Agricultural machines?
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Looks similar to Range Rover Red last year who had a similar roll. Just shows how easy it can be. I take it that's on an off road site somewhere?
Thanks for reminding me :oops: As it was a laning trip, I was wearing my seatbelt, including the brief time I spent upside down sliding down the hill on the roof. I walked away with two bruises and I think I got one of those climbing out.
I would definitely say BELT UP.
PS: I haven't been laning since!
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I would definitely say seat belt on. Having been in a washing machine - sorry tractor with no seat belt (20 years ago) and rolling it down a hill it certainly hurts. I was baling straw and thought I could go where the combine had been :oops: obviously not and before you ask yes I was taking it steady
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You don't have to be in a roll or be travelling at speed to need a seat belt. Try crossing a set of dried ruts at 10 mph with no seat belt... your head will be bouncing off the roof and that's a very good way to get seriously hurt.
The only place you need to be when driving off-road is securely planted in your seat... if you can't drive it properly when you are there... then maybe you need to have a rethink !!!!
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On for me. I have hit my head on ceiling before now over rough ground when not wearing belt and it hurts, never happened on same section when wearing belt. Across flat fields when opening gates, cba to wear it - judgment call.
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Personally i dont. Because im a big guy, and i bruise easily.
But i always advise to wear it.
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Changed my mind a bit---- if driving in deep water leave it off ;)
but the rest of the time on... :D
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Changed my mind a bit---- if driving in deep water leave it off ;)
but the rest of the time on... :D
good point, never thought of that.
and im sure if you are the worlds worst off road driver you could roll it over whilst in enough water to drown you if you couldnt get out.
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What is the point of this thread?
To see how many idiot's there are........?
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Holyzeus wrote
What is the point of this tread?
To see how many idiot's there are........?
first question ....I guess it's to find out what others do and why..and to provoke debate .
second question .... you shouldn't call you club mates idiots!! well one maybe ;)
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I know of a couple of people who have been saved from SERIOUS INJURY having their belt ON !
It's all choice at the end of the day, like everything else...
If you have a ONE LIFE, LIVE IT sticker on your vehicle...you'd look a right <edit> (http://www.mud-club.com/forum/index.php/topic,42831.0.html) WIT without a seatbelt on, if life's to be lived to the full !
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Personally i dont. Because im a big guy, and i bruise easily.
But i always advise to wear it.
Same here, I find them so uncomfortable.
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Always on!!!
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Definitely ON unless in deep water or in a very narrow section with no risk of bumps.
If you can stay in the seat, your not going fast enough.
On "track day" cars they reckon a set of 4 point harnesses and decent part of driving shoes is worth seconds a lap (and the most recommended mod) as you get better control as you are not chainging body position so can keep contol inputs (hands and feet) consistent. Thats definitley my experiance having done time on track in both 3 point inertia and 4 point harness setups in the same car, same seats.
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Defininately on. Mate rolled his Triumph Herald in the sixties, before seatbelts were even fitted to most motors. Tumble drier didn't do it justice. My first action after getting out of hospital was to get a set of belts for my Mini (which had the fittings, but not the belts :?)
Mind you, I carry a knife on my keyring, just in case I can't get the belt to release after an incident :lol:
O/T Anyone else remember the wonderful cornering of the Herald above 60, the hop, tramp, teeter, pray. Did they ever cure it? I was always wary about getting in them after my experience above.
Keith