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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: flash42 on July 20, 2008, 20:49:07
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tune in now :)
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Watching now!
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Well that's just done more damage to our hobby than anything I've seen on youtube :(
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tbh. i dont think any of the land he went on were greenlanes. it looked all private land to me.
and you got to give the terios its dues, it looked fairly good in the sticky stuff.
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Brilliant :D :D :clap: :clap:
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Well that's just done more damage to our hobby than anything I've seen on youtube :(
I'm afraid I sat here thinking the same :(
DT.
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very funny
typical TG attitude towards things so I dont think any damage would be done.
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Private land or not, it was called 'greenlaning' - he broke through hedges, pulled donuts in fields.
...and he called it 'greenlaning'. Now every bobble-hat will think that when we go laning, that's what we do. Even them that know otherwise will point to TG as evidence of the way we drive, even if not where we drive.
Idiots. :roll:
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Before it even started, I said to Sarah it was going to be a bad reflection on greenlaning. I am so dissapointed that I was right.
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Thanks top gear they have just put our hobby back years. nice black landy they used as a camera car though.
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I have to say, I sometimes despair at Top Gear... their attitude to just about everything is so cavalier, they do driving, and vehicle ownership in general, no service at all! Sure, they have lots of fun, but I don't think they ever consider the knock-on effect their antics have! :roll:
Quite honestly, if they were not as famous as they are, we'd all be calling them a bunch of chavs! [-X
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I do find a conflict in my mind. It is fair to say I find TG entertaining. Even this article was entertaining. I just know it was not good politics.
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I watched with interest and thought to myself that i would like to put up a poll
Because i think they have done nothing except HARM Greenlaneing :x
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I'm torn between being really annoyed that the bunch of ignorant cretins have walked all over our hobby, and being slightly satisfied that now you'll agree I was right about them being ignorant cretins all along.
Clarkson should be Prime Minister? Clarkson should be shot, more like. Loser.
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Have to say, I sat watching it cringing, not only will it have done greenlaning no good (even though that appeared to be all on private land), it undoubtedly won't have done the hunting fraternity much good either.
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...what was Hamster on about, up to your waist in mud and winching... ON A LANE????? <sigh>
He should know better being an LR nut .... :(
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think we need a mass complant to top gear and say if they want to try laning to come out with a group of us and se how it should be done.
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Trouble is, the arrogant gits stick two fingers up at anybody who has the nerve to criticise them. Mass protest on their circuit, I say!
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Hmm..
Said to Becky that this might be bad for us lot!
Not wearing a seatbelt the whole time tends to point to me that it was all private land... Shame the 'G' word was used.
I thought it was funny - i can appreciate others might not :S
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thermidorthelobster Mass protest on their circuit, I say!
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OoooooH I so Definately agree with this!!!!
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to be honest it looked more like the kind of driving you would use on a pay and play site, maybe they just got the terms mixed up :)
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Not wearing a seatbelt the whole time tends to point to me that it was all private land...
They've linked Green Laning, which people associate with 4x4s driving down country tracks, with being up to your neck in mud and thundering around fields and ditches at 60mph throwing bits of countryside everywhere. To the majority of Top Gear viewers, who don't know the full story, that's what Green Laning now means. Way to get it banned.
And of course Richard Hammond knows a thing or two about Land Rovers, so it's natural to assume he knows what he's talking about, and he's not just an ignorant pillock.
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Should we who do know better not be worried by and doing something about the image of our pass time? After all no matter how much we moan about how top gear show us in a bad light it does suggest an underlying problem with our public image.
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Well I guess we could murder them? That's what we do apparently?
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Should we who do know better not be worried by and doing something about the image of our pass time? After all no matter how much we moan about how top gear show us in a bad light it does suggest an underlying problem with our public image.
One problem from the past is that Top Gear hasn't been interested in showing our side of the story. In fact, apart from a few specialist mags, there is very little interest in showing a positive spin on laning. It seems there's too much copy to be sold by making us out as the bad guys.
So we need 'factual' programmes (ike Top Gear) to stand up for us, not stamp on our fingers whilst we're clinging on.
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Just done my Mr Angry "That'd better have not been filmed on a public road or I'm contacting the plod" type email to the Topgear website. For all the good it'll do.
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As I just put in the poll topic...
Top Gear is funny and entertaining....so was the Green Lane topic.... BRAVO
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lets all jump and down and get really mad at TG :roll: :roll: we are doomed with out there help and if the antis really want to use what top gear has used as "GREENLANING" Then the anti's are really morons :roll: i mean come on it was pretty obvious it was private land
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Obvious to *US*, but not to the Sun readers. Large estate wouldn't you say if they weren't lying about the distances?
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Obvious to *US*, but not to the Sun readers. Large estate wouldn't you say if they weren't lying about the distances?
fullu understand what your saying there Neil, but this will be this weeks anti's news and then next week they will find something else!!! there is always something for the anti's to use against us :roll: :roll: so let them be as thick enough to use this and say this is greenlaning at it's worse blah blah just shows how tiny minded they are :lol: :lol:
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Well why don't we invite them to bala for a proper greenlane day :D
It was private land and It wans't greenlaning so if we point that out and offer to show then properly :D you never know...
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Well why don't we invite them to bala for a proper greenlane day :D
It was private land and It wans't greenlaning so if we point that out and offer to show then properly :D you never know...
I was talking about that idea with some friends recently, we came to the conclusion that it was a bad one for more or less the reasons that everyone else has mentioned - TG delight in destruction, damage, and generally being a bunch of overgrown kids and we somehow knew they wouldn't understand concepts such as "drive slowly" and "don't wreck the surface". It's a real pity as they could have helped our image enormously if they'd adhered to the rules and made it clear that the vast majority of laners do so. But that wouldn't be as "exciting" would it...
Funny how my scariest/most exciting moments in a car have been at about 4mph or less off tarmac!
The one chance this gives us - could it do some good with the lefty press which, while they don't like us, would surely love to see TG made to look stupid with a story about what laning is really like? This sounds like a perfect chance for the GLASS or CRAG approach of handing advisory leaflets to people seen doing silly things on lanes - how about someone high up in the groups turning up at TG HQ with a handful of leaflets and some press in tow?
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When is this show repeated. I did not see it. As a new 4x4 owner but a member of this site for ages I have been shown the damage that can be done by irresponsible driving and have followed the guidelines and advice given by members of this forum and the guidelines set down.
I would not be surprised at Top Gears gung-ho attitude towards greenlaning. Same as there attitude towards driving safely on motorways in powerful sports cars.
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Try the BBC iPlayer... www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer)
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As with many of you (60% at the last count on the poll) I was horrifed with the nature of the Top Gear piece. I have chosen to comlain to both the BBC and top gear. Below is the mail I sent to the Top Gear team and it includes a copy of my complaint to the BBC.
I would encourage the remainder of the 60% of you who were disgusted, to do the same.
Kindest
Skibum
Sir/Madam,
I have a message for Richard Hammond that I would ask you to pass on.
"How could you, of all people, do this to the greenlaning communbity?"
You are a Land Rover enthusiast, you must have at least heard of some of the political difficulties we face with ramblers and the like. Why did you allow the Top Gear production team, probably driven by Mr Clarkson, to create exactly what those who are set to see us banned from our pastime would hold up as an example of what we do?
I have been a fan of the new format Top Gear since it's inception, and fought to ensure it was not threatendd with closure after your minor scrape in the dragster and I feel betrayed by the piece that you were a key part of.
I hope that you all enjoyed the creation of this piece, and I hope that you will remember making it when those narrow minded people who want the counrtryside to themselves suceed in banning any kind of motorised access to greenlanes.
I have included for your information a copy of the complaint I have lodged with the BBC, not that Mr Clarkson will care.
Sir/Madam,
As a Land Rover enthusiast, GLASS & CRAG member I was excited to hear that a piece on "Greenlaning" was to be aired on Top Gear.
Greenlaning is the driving of public rights of way as recorded on the definitive map in county Rights Of Way offices or on council List of Streets documents.
Greenlaning, done by RESPONSIBLE 4x4 drivers, uses the tread lightly guidelines promoted by GLASS & CRAG.
Since the advent of the NERC legislation that reduced the number of drivable lanes by around 70-80%, the greenlaning community has been under fire from various lobbies, most noteably "Ramblers". Much of the coverage made of our community wrongly assumes that we tear round the countryside ripping up the ground at high revs, speeding past innocent ramblers.
Imagine my excitement then when the top gear team started their piece by making exactly this point... then imagine my horror when a Land Rover enthusiast, Richard Hammond, started spouting the kind of ridiculous descripotion of greenlaning that those set to ban us from our LEGAL pastime use.
I was horrified to then see a so called hunt through "the countryside" with Jeremy Claskson ripping through hedges, pulling doughnuts, tearing through sections of virgin woodland and genereally behaving like the most irresponsible kind of 4x4 driver.
I accept that the production team aimed for a certain degree of sarcasm and that the land was private (otherwise I'm sure the local police would be very interested in the illegal driving carried out). However, this piece placed a dagger at the heart of every responsible greenlaner who has to explain time and again to angry ramblers and the like that they are pursuing a legal pastime on a public right of way with motorised access rights. This piece will be held up as an example by these evangelists of what we allegedly do.
Those members of the public who had not been aware of greenlaning will now consider Top Gear's example as the definitive description of what those of us who drive in the countryside do.
I would ask that you investigate this piece with a view to requiring that a more balanced piece be produced to repair the damage done to Greenlaning (the proper kind) by the Top Gear team.
Yours
Frank McGoldrick
Disappointedly yours
Frank McGoldrick
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Might we have your permission to use the above as a proforma document to innundate the BBC with?
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Feel free but I'd advise that you tweak it to your own words to avoid being lumped as spam.
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The man has a good point there. Tell the Beeb how it made you feel. Use the themes outlined in Skibums letter, but don't copy it - it will devalue your letter, and his.
As a suggestion, try posting a letter in a similar vein to Offcom too. When I moaned at Fifth Gear it kinda galvanised Ch5 and North West into a slightly more expedient response.
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I've just nosied at the LRO forums and they also have a topic like this one... Get around all the forums your part of and get them all complaining. We need to stop being apathetic to this kind of misrepresentation.
**Disengages soapbox mode**
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i tell ya what forums are really good lately all people seem to do is find something to winge about :roll: :roll: remeber this will be this weeks news and then next week the Anti's will make up something else [-X the public will think what they like and make what they will of it!!! Top gear is always going to be the same they will poke fun at what ever they thinks fun at the time and if joe blogs really thinks that what greenlaining is then we have no hope at all to change there mind :lol: :lol: so lets stop moaning and just get on with it and stop writting letter's of complaint and auctully get out in the public and show them what we do ;)
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PUX,
It's all very well saying "get out and show the public what we do..." but the places we go... there are rarely significant number of the public around and when it comes to changing beliefs, it's a numbers game. If you don't want to complain, fine.
We as a group, need to be seen in the press to get our message out in significant numbers, that's what the RA do. They of course have an advantage in the numbers that are members and in the fact that they have an influential member of the Londonite creative world as their chair(person).
Skibum
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It shouldnt be too difficult to find out where it was filmed, there's a close up of the map he was using...
Seeing as greenlanes are open to public traffic... Lets all pile down to the land owner and ask if we can go 'GreenLane' on his estate!
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I can't wait hear Top Gear rip the urine out of the complaints from Off Roaders !!!!!!
One Life, Live it ! (Or spend your time moaning about other peoples forms of enjoyment)
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One Life, Live it ! (Or spend your time moaning about other peoples forms of enjoyment)
'Justice evolves only once injustice has been defeated' is another good saying.
Living your life how you want it is cool, providing that the masses allow you to do it. Laning priveledges are being eroded at a near exponential rate and programmes like this make us out to be irresponsible in our ways - which doesn't help our cause.
It seems that some folk aren;t so bothered about the loss of those privledges. If folk wanna try and protect it, let 'em. We all benefit from it, after all. One life, live it and all that. ;)
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If you feel strongly enough, submit the video evidence from BBCi to the police asking for a section 59 to be issued for driving more than 15yards off the track and not for the use of parking!
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I thought it was very funny and laughed most of the way through it :lol:
On the plus side, it wasn't a Land Rover he was driving ;)
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I too thought it to be very funny - I watched it for what it was , the usual TG tongue in cheek messing about.
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similar situation to the shooting incident on one of the specials. now every anti thinks we do the gardening with 12 bores!hehe. do like top gear though, especially the balls to health and safety approach.
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dont you use your shottie for gardening i prefer 32 grams six shot through a full choke for those pesky high branches :) but just make sure there in season first :)
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just had a quick peek on the rambers forum and it doesnt seem to mention anything about TG.
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just had a quick peek on the rambers forum and it doesnt seem to mention anything about TG.
It's past their bed time! After all, they need all the beauty sleep they can get :twisted: Did I say that? Not like me at all :shock: :lol:
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I really enjoyed the show and thought this section was great. I took
it all in the lighthearted vein that it was meant. To me off roading
is a fun pastime and I have gone beyond giving stuff what the bobble
hat brigade think. I don't think there opinion of us was or ever will
be good whatever we do. The article was typical of the blokes messing
around stuff that the Top Gear team are famed for. I think that
several references were made to the complains from bobble hats that
Jeremy had after his climb a mountain escapade, J.C for Prime
minister.
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I watched this section of top gear and couldn't beleive their intention was to go out and upset ramblers. There were various sections that I thought showed 4x4 owners in a bad light and comments from JC about this is the way to do it this Terios isn't damaging the land when he drove thru a hedge and chewed up a lot of the field I found very cringe worthy. I enjoy greenlaning and would hope to have many more opportunities to do it.
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Watched it, enjoyed it, was surprised at how well that little thing did! and was also Peed off at what damage it "could" do after calling it greenlaning!
However!!!
The damage is now done, I talked to my brother earlier who asked if I had seen it, He has been laning with me and knows a little bit about it, but was very surprised at my suggestion that it wasn't on green lanes but private land! As far as he was aware they said green lanes, so it must be!!
I'm afraid that he is representative of joe public and what they will believe!
Mind you, after the caravan one they did I now believe that that is how all caravan holidays go!!!!
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Mind you, after the caravan one they did I now believe that that is how all caravan holidays go!!!!
As someone who was caravanning aged six months, that episode was truly cringeworthy. The car they picked was nothing like powerful enough or indeed heavy enough to tow the caravan in a safe and reasonably fast manner, to say nothing of their doing things that I'd have known to be a bad idea aged five...
If they want loads of lovely noise and a decent turn of speed I suggest they try a motorhome next time. You don't usually expect a three and a half ton vehicle with the general outline of a housebrick to do 80mph (where legal) and sound like WW3 when hammered up steep hills in third! :lol:
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They did some motor home racing a year or so back, it was exellent.
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it did have muds on i think ;)
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I saw it, thought it was as funny as always :lol:
lets face it guys,
every thing TG does is nearly always a mickey take out of something, some one,
they done a caravan Holiday
greenlaning
gay bikers
bobble hats
truckers
cyclists
BM drivers,
sale reps
they always say, do something that one of you, all, us, prob do, drive, ride,
so yeah it was funny,some will prob look and think that's how we drive green lanes, but do super car owners drive at 130+ on a roads,
are all bikers gay
are caravan owners so slow, boring, never move over, crash into things
i think not, its just top gear at its best and long may it continue :dance: :dance:
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but do super car owners drive at 130+ on a roads
Well quite recently someone was done 140ish on the A420 I recall....and that's an A road :-k
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It shouldnt be too difficult to find out where it was filmed, there's a close up of the map he was using...
Seeing as greenlanes are open to public traffic... Lets all pile down to the land owner and ask if we can go 'GreenLane' on his estate!
near tewkesbury i believe
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but do super car owners drive at 130+ on a roads
Well quite recently someone was done 140ish on the A420 I recall....and that's an A road :-k
ok fair point,just trying to make a point that they take the [throw it] out of every one, :roll:
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ok fair point,just trying to make a point that they take the [throw it] out of every one, :roll:
Which, being fair to you, they do.
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i cant be botherd to get into another boring mud-club disagreement so I'm not, :roll:
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i cant be botherd to get into another boring mud-club disagreement so I'm not, :roll:
No disagreement here - I was trying to agree with you :-.
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i cant be botherd to get into another boring mud-club disagreement so I'm not, :roll:
No disagreement here - I was trying to agree with you :-.
i know,but it seems to be a very touchy topic and as with most things,just get out of controle so just saying, be-four it does
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i know,but it seems to be a very touchy topic and as with most things,just get out of controle so just saying, be-four it does
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It does seem to be a touch volatile, doesn't it? We seem to have an interestin' balance of both the fors and againts in term of Sundays Top Gear.
Who would have guessed it would have got quite so emotive!
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yeah very true mate,
i also go on some motor bike forums and its the same there when they say homophobic bike riders :lol:
think the only way to look at it is
it top gear,what did you think they would do :shock: 8-[
as they say,AMBISHOS BUT RUBISH :lol: :lol:
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it top gear,what did you think they would do :shock: 8-[
Truthfully? That they'd leave laning alone. [-o<
Yeah, forlorn hope, or what! :lol: :lol:
I'm known for me optimism! :^o :lol:
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it top gear,what did you think they would do :shock: 8-[
Truthfully? That they'd leave laning alone. [-o<
think they may wish they never done the laning topic with the amount of comments coming there way :shock: :lol: :lol:
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it top gear,what did you think they would do :shock: 8-[
Truthfully? That they'd leave laning alone. [-o<
think they may wish they never done the laning topic with the amount of comments coming there way :shock: :lol: :lol:
i think jeremy will be laughing his head off, im sure we will see what he thinks about all in one of his coloums in the comics
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I wish I had time to discuss this but I have to rush off and put on my camo gear, tear off into the countryside, knock over any TRO signs I see, drive through a couple of hedges and murder any members of the public I encounter
So much land to destroy,
So little time. :shock:
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I enjoyed it! :lol:
Whilst I accept some people will be mislead by their use of the term 'green laning', I'd think the majority of viewers wouldn't give a monkeys!
But then you can't keep everyone happy! For example....some people could say that Wrecker's avatar was offensive. Afterall it portrays someone kicking a baby......I took it for what it was, a bit of fun & a cracking avatar.....but does everyone?? (No offence Wrecker, yours was just a convenient avatar! Which is, by the way, very entertaining!)
I'd wonder if that Top Gear arcticle has actually done us any harm at all! Afterall.....I'm already a murderer, an eco-terrorist etc etc just for owning a 4x4!
I hope you guys keep your green lanes! There aren't many here!!! :'(
Roofus
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none taken roofus :lol: :lol:
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having read the thread before seeing it I was expecting the worse, however I think that it was not that bad. It was tongue in cheek and took the mickey out of off roaders (Camo gear murderers) as much as rambelers. It did not go into specific s of green laning and rights of way issues and was clearley filed in fields and not lanes.
I agree that it will upset some antis, but showing a tree bing copped down does too, showing grass begin driven on drives people nuts, but these are city based numpties who see the countryside as some quait extension of regents part that they can visit on bank holidays.
I think the peice a few years ago where clarkson drove the Dico up the mountain that was only for walking on was for more damaging and drew huge numers of complaints.
I will not be pettitioning, but understand the feelings of those of you who do.