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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: mudmuncher on July 31, 2008, 08:51:58
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Yesterday the A1122 was closed between Swaffham and Downham Market due to a RTC and I was manning the northern closure. The road was out of action for several hours which was causing many drivers to have a "where now" panic attack! Their sat navs were shouting at them to turn down a road they couldn't enter. A few tried [-X [-X This got me thinking :-k HOW MANY VEHICLES CARRY A ROAD ATLAS TODAY?
Do you have a road atlas in your vehicle? Has it been a case of in with the sat nav and out with the good old map? When did you last update yours? Should it be law that every vehicle should carry one?
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Should it be law that every vehicle should carry one?
I think there enough laws =; [-X
But I've got one - get given one every year at Christmas :roll:
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Does a car PC running Memory-Map count? :lol:
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i have a road map, at least 4 years old
have seen sat nav in use i can be good but people are to reliant on it
first sign of a problem and they panic
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Surely as we are all off road greenlane enthusiasts all we actually need is a compass and a heading - drive in straight lines everywhere?
(Fatuous comment not to be taken too seriously)
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Ive got one as I never trust my sat nav ( just upgraded so see what that brings)
I keep my road atlas on view with the thinking that any scum bag will see the atlas and reckon it wont be worth breaking into the car as he doesnt have sat nav :lol:
The sat nav is never in the car as its on my PDA. :wink:
But it can be difficult to read the atlas when driving [-X
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bought a 2009 Collins one last night for £1.42. Cant hurt to have one in the car for that price.
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The problem seems to be that a lot of people attempt to delegate all responsibility to their satnavs. I don't think the manufacturers help by putting such a commanding voice on them, but the fact remains that some people clearly do not understand that the satnav doesn't know what you're looking at. It's working from a database quite possibly programmed by someone who has never driven the road you are on.
We have three Tomtom units in the family, I really can't stand that voice ordering me to "turn left" while I'm sat at a red traffic light. The Memory-Map based system I have is like having a road atlas on the dashboard that is always open on the right page and has a position fix shown. You still have to do the map reading and navigation, but you don't have to find the right page in the map book as it has done it for you.
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im ok cos i know where my parents live and where work is (unfortunately!)
if not i study the route before hand and print out the route, havent used road atlas in years except to stop things sliding in the boot
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i have a road atlas and use it all the time when going places as i cant afford a sat nav, theres a perfectly good set of instructions on google maps although that doesnt iclude enough round abouts :lol:
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We have just moved to the area, and we were going to Downham Tesco, we were pointed left by the copper as we came through Fincham, no map and no sat nav, we did a huge loop then ended up at the same point but from a different direction!!! Then we found a road through shouldham to Tesco.
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I left my road atlas in my 110 and overnight it turned into papier mache. Now I only have a Devon Street Atlas and no sat nav, as long as I don't have to leave the county I'll be alright :lol:
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Surely as we are all off road greenlane enthusiasts all we actually need is a compass and a heading - drive in straight lines everywhere?
(Fatuous comment not to be taken too seriously)
Pah, you lightweight..... what's wrong with the sun and the stars :P :lol:
We carry an atlas.... bought it at Leeming services when there was an almighty tailback at Scotch Corner and put it to good use straight away across Swaledale :D
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I always have a road atlas to hand, dont own a satnav and dont see the need for one quite honestly i,ve always managed to find where i,m going with a map, a satnav causes brain loss in some people as they cant seem to go anywhere without one, the delivery boy at work is one example , there is no way he could find his way about without a satnav because he,s brain dead he follows the satnav blindly even if it takes him on a 20 mile detour he,ll follow it :roll:
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the day-2-day car has an atlas, the landy normally has the eee-pc and my 3g dongle for using google maps :)
DT.
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For goodness sakes don't encourage them to make a road atlas a legal requirement, the prices will go through the roof! :lol:
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i carry several o/s maps around with me at all time, :dance:
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I carry an atlas. I think it might be slightly out of date though. My shows a road being built that will open soon allowing greater access to the North. Its called the A1. The adverts suggest I buy Pratts automotive spirit for all my transportation requirements. :-.
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I generally use a road atlas. And road signs. The only problem is when they decide to change a road number between two issues of the road atlas.
If I know that I am going to need more detail, I look up the area on streetmap and print out the relevant pages (usually the A-Z level of detail ones). I then stack them up in order of requiring them and can refer to them quickly and easily. I sometimes mark them up with a highlighter as well.
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i always keep paper maps and an atlas in the wagon because they dont run out of batteries!! although if i become flush with cash i may splash out on one of they road angel doodahs with the memory map thingy?!who knows!!
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I print out directions from the rac or aa sites (they show current road works updated daily) on the net then write bullit notes ie just the roads I need and the town names and stick them between the clocks and the door .
Then I give the map book to the wife and start driving ..... :D
by the time shes worked out the best route we're there and shes been quiet the whole way :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Yesterday the A1122 was closed between Swaffham and Downham Market due to a RTC and I was manning the northern closure.
Don't need a road atlas to get round that one - Just go to The Hill House instead of Downham Market :grin:
Normaly have a road map apart from when the mice eat them.
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I l;ove sat nav for driving into big towns when im on my own as you can focus on the signs (like ONE WAY!)
However I often overrule it and allways carry an atlas, but then I carry hot cans, light sticks, pen knife, poncho, water, extinguisher, first aid kit, nibbles and thats just going up and down the M5 in the freelander.
God help me if I ever go overlanding.
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Tend to use those large metal signs on poles at the side of the road for directions if forced out of the shire
Folks tell me those sat nav thingys stick right in your line of vision on the windscreen and keep talking to you when you are chillin to good music
Devil spawn I say...
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God help me if I ever go overlanding.
I'm not the only one then! Upon sighting the stuff in the back of my Disco on a weekend camping trip someone asked "Why have you brought all that for two days?"
I only had the tent, sleeping bag, roll up mat, blanket, gas stove, chair, kettle, several mugs, tins of food, cool bag, ammo box full of recovery kit, twenty metres of USB cables and another twenty metres of VGA cable...
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Sat nav can be good but I have just come back from Kent and my TOMTOM (other cr*p units are available :) ) couldn't work out that Heath Road / lynton cross road near Maidstone was shut. And before you say use the find alternative route, I did. It took me on a long loop back to where I was. I then tried the road blocked function which took me on a longer loop back to where I was. In the end I resorted to the tried and tested method of using those signs that the highways people have kindly put at the side of the road
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i suspect there is one hiding in the disco somewhere... luckily scrap-nav has generally got me where i need to be, although i always have a look on multimap beforehand, to get a general idea....
those big square things on the roadside sometimes provide criptic clues too, although they dont seem to do the more useful ones that can be put into satnav (namely "that bloke of ebays house")
And lets not forget one overiding thing here... i`m a man, i dont get lost... i may get unsure, but i just keep driving until i know where i am again (i now know silverstone is NOT near milton keynes!)
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God help me if I ever go overlanding.
I'm not the only one then! Upon sighting the stuff in the back of my Disco on a weekend camping trip someone asked "Why have you brought all that for two days?"
I only had the tent, sleeping bag, roll up mat, blanket, gas stove, chair, kettle, several mugs, tins of food, cool bag, ammo box full of recovery kit, twenty metres of USB cables and another twenty metres of VGA cable...
Just looking for a long usb cable extention, where did you get it from?
Rob
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There's a pile of O/S Landranger maps and a decent scale road-atlas in the 110
a satnav causes brain loss in some people as they cant seem to go anywhere without one
Too true, all the stories of;
Driving artics past warning signs into 6'6" restrictions
Onto railway lines!
Byways
Fords
the list goes on............ "Engage Sat-Nav, disengage brain"
the delivery boy at work is one example , there is no way he could find his way about without a satnav because he,s brain dead
We've got a few staff like that.
They couldn't find their own butts using both hands, a compass & an atlas
What I find extremely sad (but also almost laughable), is the trend amongst our younger staff (sub 30?) to be able to describe in perfect clarity to each other how to get to some bar/club/cafe on a Greek/Spanish/Carribean island - even down to the colour of the menus - from a hotel/resort, etc.....
But, ask them to explain how to get to anywhere (around here) other than White Rose Centre) Leeds, Meadowhall (Sheffield), or Trafford Centre, & they're stuffed
One girl asked how to get to Leeds (8miles from the Hospital), she could get to the White Rose, but not into Leeds city centre :roll: :shock: :roll:
Curiously enough she knew where one of the clubs was in the city-centre (which is opposite the railway station.............. 'slap-bang' in the city-centre :doh:
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God help me if I ever go overlanding.
I'm not the only one then! Upon sighting the stuff in the back of my Disco on a weekend camping trip someone asked "Why have you brought all that for two days?"
I only had the tent, sleeping bag, roll up mat, blanket, gas stove, chair, kettle, several mugs, tins of food, cool bag, ammo box full of recovery kit, twenty metres of USB cables and another twenty metres of VGA cable...
Just looking for a long usb cable extention, where did you get it from?
Rob
I cheated somewhat - bought four 5m USB extensions from Amazon and plugged them together. Have a rummage around on there and you can find some very sensible prices. Postage is usually more than the cable but the all-in cost is a lot less than PC World or other high street shops. The advantage is that if I want a shorter lead I just use fewer segments.
Try this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-male-Female-Extension-Cable/dp/B000IM9BGE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1217586389&sr=8-3
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Yes, But I haven't a clue where now, Mainly as I have a PC with memory-map on
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Just been out to buy a new road atlas as when I first read this thread I checked the date on the old one :oops: :oops:
only about 10 years out of date :lol: :lol:
£2.99 Halfrauds ;)
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Yes got one in the back seat pocket.
I'm still being technophobic about a Sat-Nav device jobby. And the laptop is a little bulky to take around with me connected to the GPS.
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I don't think the manufacturers help by putting such a commanding voice on them,
What sort of voice would you like then? A low husky sexy one?! :shock:
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I'm still with the "plan the route out before hand", if I have I'm going to a place that I have never been before. Pen, paper and map. I still have a brain (I fink!) and like to use it.
I have a standard road atlas and several OS maps. I'm more likely to get lost when I'm out on the horse! Which I have done! :doh:
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i do 70-80k a year and never carry a map with me. sometimes i have a sat-nav but it's only to tell me where the speed cams are :lol:
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I always carry an atlas. Mainly because;
A) I don't want to arrive in a dodgy area where I'm unfamiliar with, and get my sat nav nicked,
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B) I don't trust their reliability, due to the fact satellites can only give you a bird's eye view of the route you're taking. (Or has technology passed me by...,again?)
Anyway, isn't it nice to pull over, get the map out, pour a beverage and peruse an atlas, then carry on your journey?
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Anyway, isn't it nice to pull over, get the map out, pour a beverage and peruse an atlas, then carry on your journey?
Yes, Take a few minutes to look round even get out and walk round. The reason I use Memory - Map is that it doesn't tell you where to go (unless Flightless is navigating for me), I still have to work out where I'm going before hand(which Steve has forgotten on a few occassions).
Although I do still believe most of the issues with Sat Navs has to do with people not setting them up correctly (setting which roads they prefer to use)
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Yes, I carry an atlas.
I don't own a sat-nav, as they're unreliable.
November 2008, I'd decided to go to a 4x4 show in Perth, Australia.
My sister set up the satnav, and we got lost. My passengers, my Nephew, and his mate, had no idea where we were.
I delved into the glovebox and took out the tourist streetmap in the hired car, and followed that, which took me within 1/4 mile of the area I needed, and then we followed, the 4x4 enthusiasts to the park.
Considering it was my first time, ever, in Perth, I did rather well.
One of my colleagues was sent on a private hire, (I'm a bus driver, btw), to Aberdeen. He was to take the punters to their venue, and, I was to pick them up later.
When I phoned him for directions, he said he had no idea,and, when I asked why, he answered,"I followed my sat-nav".
So, it was down to the good old streetmap, to find my punters.
People are too reliant on computers, and too lazy to use their brains.
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Yup always Carry a Map in the Back of the Motor if i remember correctly it was new in 1995 so almost time to get a new one when the cover completly Falls off..
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I always have a road atlas in whatever i,m driving as i dont use a satnav, never needed to, they stop you thinking
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Always carry a map book have a hgv one i use with all the wight limits low bridges narrow roads etc as well as a normal road map. Plus i have mm on my sat nav as well.
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God help me if I ever go overlanding.
I'm not the only one then! Upon sighting the stuff in the back of my Disco on a weekend camping trip someone asked "Why have you brought all that for two days?"
I only had the tent, sleeping bag, roll up mat, blanket, gas stove, chair, kettle, several mugs, tins of food, cool bag, ammo box full of recovery kit, twenty metres of USB cables and another twenty metres of VGA cable...
Just looking for a long usb cable extention, where did you get it from?
Rob
Get Dave White to make you one. :lol: or an online company he uses all the time does them.
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Use those flat metal things on poles at the sides of roads....worked so far...
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I have a 1950's telephone at home. It looks good and is sort of comfortable. If I want make a call I use a cordless of course.
Maps are great, all those coloured lines in bright colours. All those places I have never been to and never will. That distance table in back harks back to the era of manual typewriters, wire wheels and diptheria. Of course if I want to go somewhere new I use my sat nav equipped pda or phone or tablet pc.
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I have 3,keep wearing the things out!
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This is an old thread :shock:
When this thread was active the first time I used a road atlas, now I use a satnav and the road atlas.
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i don't carry a map or a sat-nav and i'm a lorry driver, never been lost yet.
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I love the people on the motorways that have the 'man' driving , and the 'little woman' sat in the pasenger seat - who moves her finger along everytime they pas a junction!!!!!
EXCUSE ME - but whats wrong with doing 5 minutes research before you leave home - Get on at Junction Y - off at junction Y - they do have alrger metal thingies at the side of the road - !!!
* sorry bad day* :lol:
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I always have my road atlas with me but the sat nav has enabled me to get rid of all my A - Zs - working in transport I had a few !! :lol:
Sat-nav is the best thing since sliced bread for me. As long as you use it sensibly & learn how to use the features (ie: diverting round a blocked road) & check in the road atlas if you have any doubt about the address you're inputting.
If you don't like the voice then change it for one you do like - there are hundreds about - or turn it down & just follow the arrow on the screen. I have the volume turned up just enough for me to hear the camera warnings.
Unreliable ? I've had sat-navs for donkeys years & can count the little blips on 2 fingers :lol:
They're small enough to pop in your pocket along with your mobile phone if you have to leave the car - I really struggle to be negative about my sat-nav & it sure hasn't made me brainless because I use one.
So yes - I do carry a road atlas with me :lol: ;) :smiley:
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iv got about 8 maps in my car, a to z, os maps, atlas, a gps, compass and a satnav, use them all at various times.
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I've got a UK road atlas and OS maps for the local area in the Landy. My dad has a satnav and loves it. I'm the sort who hates not knowing where I am, whenever I go on journeys with my dad I follow on the map. We spent the summer driving around France in the caravan, as usual with Dad following the satnav and me following the map. Occasionally he had to make a hard decision- should he follow my advice, or the satnavs? Sometimes I was right, sometime Jane (the satnav) was.
Personally I enjoying looking at the map and planning a journey without relying on technology. The only good use of a satnav IMO is in urban areas. I always get lost in towns I don't know because road atlases aren't detailed enough. I might buy a satnav myself one day for this purpose, but I'll manage for now.
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But a satnav is just a map :huh: Albeit an electronic one. what is there not to like about them. the only difference between paper and electronic is possible failure/fuses blowing and the size of the screen.
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[ed: naughty] navs are fine, as long as you dont rely on them completely. i tend to only use mine to tell me roughly how fast i am actually going or to get me to a beneral area. mine will also take me along greenlanes (though i do check them on the OS map) and through some big fords! :evil:
used to be fun in the little fiesta. :dance:
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[ed: naughty] navs are fine, as long as you dont rely on them completely. i tend to only use mine to tell me roughly how fast i am actually going or to get me to a beneral area. mine will also take me along greenlanes (though i do check them on the OS map) and through some big fords! :evil:
used to be fun in the little fiesta. :dance:
I also use mine as a speedo but have the volume turned off & also check my route on a map before setting off then use satnav to confirm I'm on the right road/making the right turn whilst driving.
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im the only one at work who doesnt have a sat nav in the van. i do like them, but find i learn where places are by using my mk1 road atlas. but sat navs are pretty good. ive just bought memory map for me laptop so am finally getting into the ol technology! :shock:
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What's wrong with getting lost once in awhile, adds spice to life. SatNav's have cost this country untold millions in lost revenue because people no longer burn the extra fuel they did whilst being lost/missing junction :evil: :lol:
I don't bother carrying a road atlas, if events dictate that I need one (or an A to Z) I would just buy one from a service station, you can't get *THAT* lost in the UK. After use it will linger and die a horrible damp death as have all the other papar atlas have that I have owned.
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What's wrong with getting lost once in awhile, adds spice to life. SatNav's have cost this country untold millions in lost revenue because people no longer burn the extra fuel they did whilst being lost/missing junction :evil: :lol:
Aaah yes but the extra income generated by arriving on time has offset this loss.