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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: lozzie vitara on August 02, 2008, 03:22:20
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Which do you think are the the Best 4x4's ? The Jap Shoguns , landcruisers Vitara's Etc Etc or Your British Land Rovers ? Disco's Etc Etc ? Interesting Don't you think ??
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all landys upon the basis of cheap parts and a doddle to fix
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The Frontera is a Jap 4x4 but for the landys get my vote.
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Land Rover every time. Easy to work on. Parts are relitively inexpensive. My brother has a Land Cruiser which is great off road but Parts are really expensive.
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I forgot to mention that they are also British. Which means they are obviously far superior to anything that comes from the land of the rising sun. Doesn't matter who owns Them. Tata :grin:
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when i was looking at 4x4 i was tempted with a shogun
till i checked out the cost of parts
so i bought a disco
and its so cheap to maintain its unbelievable
just replaced
brakes all round
fronts £32 discs and pads
rear £25 discs and pads
service kit £7
timing belt kit including idler £41 ish i think
and it runs great on bio :D :D :D :D :D
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when i was looking at 4x4 i was tempted with a shogun
till i checked out the cost of parts
so i bought a disco
and its so cheap to maintain its unbelievable
just replaced
brakes all round
fronts £32 discs and pads
rear £25 discs and pads
service kit £7
timing belt kit including idler £41 ish i think
and it runs great on bio :D :D :D :D :D
Ain't they just great!
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land rover, fabulous British car
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/goochbag/al-murray_001336_MainPicture.jpg)
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land rover, fabulous British car
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/goochbag/al-murray_001336_MainPicture.jpg)
Bang On! I like you already. But not in the biblical sence obviously :lol:
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when i was looking at 4x4 i was tempted with a shogun
till i checked out the cost of parts
so i bought a disco
and its so cheap to maintain its unbelievable
just replaced
brakes all round
fronts £32 discs and pads
rear £25 discs and pads
service kit £7
timing belt kit including idler £41 ish i think
and it runs great on bio :D :D :D :D :D
One of the things I've found out driving a shogun is that some parts are expensive but you very rarely have to change them
I've never had to change a brake disc — pads yes but not discs
Service kits and timing belts are comparitable
But I don't have to keep a stock of diffs or half shafts (though I ain't stupid enough not to)
Most parts for landies are cheap purely because there is a high turnover of them (and are now probably manufactured in China anyway)
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Which do you think are the the Best 4x4's ? The Jap Shoguns , landcruisers Vitara's Etc Etc or Your British Land Rovers ? Disco's Etc Etc ? Interesting Don't you think ??
This question comes up periodically.... do a search and you will find it several times!
The answer will always be...... It depends on what you need it for. And how you define 'best'.
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well erm,
it all depends on if the 4x4 has mods!
see my patrol has ARB air locking diffs allaround, iv pulled discos out the sticky stuff, but i would of got stuck my self, if i did not have them,
but then again parts are stupid, nissan have had to order me 6 wheel stud from japan, as they dont have any instock, that was 3 weeks ago, i hear there in spain at the moment :dance:
but i would not swap it for the world, greenlaning in cream heated leather seats, climate control, and water tight :dance:
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I wouldn't worry too much about this question, the original poster only put the question on here to stir up bad feeling between LR owners and Jap owners, it doesn't look like he has succeeded though.
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I wouldn't worry too much about this question, the original poster only put the question on here to stir up bad feeling between LR owners and Jap owners, it doesn't look like he has succeeded though.
agreed, we now repect each other, have the odd joke here and there about it, what car you pick its up to you!
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Land Rovers are fantastic vehicles.... look around, they are everywhere :)
But.... I bought a Land Cruiser because they are more reliable..... sorry Landie owners but they are, as I feel you will agree. My spanner and socket days are over and I simply don't want to get under a car anymore or have grease under my finger nails so I bought the car I have. Look the world over, the Land Cruiser has moved in and sadly pushed the Land Rover out :oops: I would prefer to have a British product as a world leader once again as when we try we can and do produce world beating products :clap:
If the LR was more reliable I would buy British every time.... to the LR company, please make them as reliable as the Japanese equivalent and you will recapture the market [-o<
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Out of the box i still reckon nothing touches a 90 offroad......... Mine is practically standard and very little stops her.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g292/jim-willy/tong7.jpg)
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Neither....
LADA ;) cheap as chips cheap to fix easy to fix and go anywhere...
There you go messed up your plan now :twisted:
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with land rovers you know where you are, you know whats going to brak next, what is on its way out etc, and the chances are you still have a spare one in the garage off your last landy. anything could brake on my 90 and it couldnt bankrupt me.
With the jap stuff you buy it with the confidence it wont brake all the time, but you know that when it does it will pull your pants down. i would quite like a nissan patrol but i know if anything went wrong i would have to take it off the road while i saved up to fix it. usually i can bodge somthing up for the time being with the land rover, i fit new parts if i can afford but if not then im down the scrappys.
Not all jap stuff is up to it though, look at all the problems they keep having with L200's and navaras. cranks snapping etc.
Oh and if its not rated to tow 3500kgs then it cant be a proper 4x4 can it??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Let us consider one important issue. All cars are expensive to maintain. How that cost is met varies. Eg bits for a landy may be cheap but they seem to need plenty of them, and whilst jap's tend to need less bits they can be expensive one off's.
That said i feel happier with jap cos it's better in every way than that nasty tata rubbish!
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That said i feel happier with jap cos it's better in every way than that nasty tata rubbish!
now now, calm down.
Another thing to bear in mind is that most landys people off road are over 20 years old, so everything is generally on its way out, steering box, diffs, gearbox etc etc, but the few japs that you see about always tend to be mid 90's onwards.
This is what jap stuf looked like in 1991 (which is probs the average off roaded landys age)...
(http://www.4x4offroads.com/image-files/1991-isuzu-trooper-4x4-26.jpg)
And how often do you see stuff like that about? Where did they all go? you see the odd rot box old fourtrak still on the road every now and again but thats about it. Must be because as soon as they start going wrong they become scrap, not worth fixing.
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1969 for my toy Tommo even if she is a bit like triggers brush..... :lol:
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Let me get back to you when I work out if I've fixed the coolant leak... :lol:
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i drive one of japans finest, but as soon as funds and wifelet allow itll be a 90 pickup methinks! job on!
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I"ve had a TDi300 90 and now have a Shogun. Jap motor is more reliable, comfier, quieter,warmer and doesn't leak but it won't go where the 90 would go. It's ok for laning and most playdays but the Landy was rough & ready and would go anywhere with no trouble.
So if you want a go anywhere vehicle it has to be a Landy but if you are getting to be an old fart like me that likes a bit of warmth and comfort then get a nice comfy Jap motor.
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Yep lada niva just take the tow bar off :D
Cheers Gav
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Well said Gav, and Lee Celtic!
And, while everyone's stuck discussing matters, we'll just trundle past wondering what all the fuss is about!!! :D
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Out of the box i still reckon nothing touches a 90 offroad......... Mine is practically standard and very little stops her.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g292/jim-willy/tong7.jpg)
except when it breaks down!!!!! :lol: :lol:................I would never,never have another land rover again,too expensive to buy in the first place,I could get an 04 plate shogun for the price of a 1999 LR 90 and i know which id rather have,they break too often,are uncomfortable as s**t,noisy,impractical and no good as an everyday motor for someone with a family............but oh yeah they are s**t hot offroad..............Id rather keep my Jeep anytime, sorry but for what i paid for it it would got me a 1981 series 3!!!!! and mine WILL go anywhere a landy will go
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Not 'out of the box' it won't i had one, NOWT is as good unmodified. I've had that truck 4 years and it has never not got me home. Folk buy old landys and abuse them and don't maintain them the cry when they break. They wouldn't touch a normal car half the age of the Landy they are moaning about. That rig drove the Scandinavian coastline in 5 weeks and needed one fuse.......
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yeah,id say that you were right when you say "out of the box" but really they are not THAT good they are only a 4x4 the same most others are,and yes,people wouldnt touch another car as old probably because they could get another car ten years younger for the same price!!!.....they are too over-rated and too expensive for what they are....sorry but its simple as that....... :)
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I would say that Defenders are overpriced now - certainly around here. For the same money as a tatty Defender I could buy a good Disco and upgrades that would walk all over a standard Defender. The Disco is also a lot more comfortable.
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They aren't Landies they have no soul its just a car.......
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thats why i bought a disco....its a 90 with a different body and 6 extra inches in the chassis.
i think the modded discos/rrc work better anyways!
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Ok, if I was goign to drive across austrailia id go for a Jap, but for hobby its the landrover, also looks like there is more kit around for landrovers wihch is a bit ofa viscious circle. My reasons for havign a landover are all brand and history, nothing objective at all!
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When we bought the first Freelander, just about every piece of trim squeaked or rattled...... If it were anything else, we'd have taken it back. But we accepted that maybe it was more of a 'real' Land Rover than we first thought :lol:
And now our current one even has resident spiders! This one is officially a Land Rover :lol:
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I have spiders, the odd rattle, and occasional dribbles of engine fluids. But when it's not doing that it's very comfy, will handle anything I've aimed it at, and pulls like a train.
At just under 6ft I wouldn't find a Defender anything like as comfortable, and it's fun winding up the remaining die-hards who refuse to believe that a Disco can off road.
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There is so much banter about who has 'the best' and as someone has put on here already, we all get along really, they are all great - they do the job they were bought for in varying degrees. I don't drive a LR 90 or 110 or similar, as I don't like the driving position and lack of comfort, don't have a Disco as the load space is quite small, and LRs are not that well built and a lot of the parts are cheaply made and have to be replaced often. I own two Toyota Hilux Surfs, and my girlfriend has on too - yes the parts are more expensive (sometimes) although I don't have any trouble sourcing or fitting mine, and I am by no means technically or mechanically minded.
I'd have a Nissan Patrol if one came up in the price range I'd be happy to pay, or an LC80 or similar, but out of preferance, no LRs - I like my creature comforts too much. The little Zooks and Diahatsus are great fun, and my friends have SJs and are unstoppable - tip them back over and start again.
I use my Surf every day, on road and off - it does what it's meant to, has loads of space, and looks the nuts - couldn't ask for better than that!
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there will always be two types of people that off road...
1) People who put thought into what vehicle might suit them best
2) People who want a land rover.
Ill be honest, i didnt buy mine because its the best thing off road, or because parts are cheap or any of the other reasons mentioned. I bought it because it was an old car that i could mess about with. so if your not interested in how your car works or even interested in fixing/tinkering with your car then dont buy a land rover, but for the car enthusiast it could be one of the most rewarding/stressful decisions you will ever make.
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I could get an 04 plate shogun for the price of a 1999 LR 90
Doesn't depreciation like that tell you something! :twisted:
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still sitting like this 3 1/2 weeks and counting :doh:
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/patrol/Picture033.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/patrol/Picture034.jpg)
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"Ill be honest, i didnt buy mine because its the best thing off road, or because parts are cheap or any of the other reasons mentioned. I bought it because it was an old car that i could mess about with. so if your not interested in how your car works or even interested in fixing/tinkering with your car then dont buy a land rover, but for the car enthusiast it could be one of the most rewarding/stressful decisions you will ever make."
very true! gotta walk that rewarding/stressful line haha! today im on the stressful side!
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oh and as for landys being 'a rip off' all i can say is you get what you pay for, somthings only worth what people will pay for it.
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Well after 20 years of LRs I got a Landcruiser 80 series. Cheeper than haveing lockers fitted to me 110. The only problem I have now is I have no use for my spanners and scokets :shocked: :shocked:
Paul
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I had a Disco TD5 had nothing but trouble with it got the Nissan never had any problems :)
Have a Lightweight for fun and fixing :lol:
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Well after 20 years of LRs I got a Landcruiser 80 series. Cheeper than haveing lockers fitted to me 110. The only problem I have now is I have no use for my spanners and scokets :shocked: :shocked:
Paul
same here,but mines a jeep,i got fed up of fixing stuff everytime i went anywhere,I suppose the newer landies are a lot better but unless youve got ££££,s everybody has to buy reasonably old motors and that is where the problems start so I bought the newest i could afford and therefore it doesnt break as often,If i wanted to have a motor that i could thrash all day long at pay and plays id buy a zook or an old daihatsu and pull it to events on a trailer on the back of my jeep but for laning you cant beat leather seats and air-con when you are doin a full days laning,when i did that with the 90 i felt like id done 10 rounds with mike tyson it was so uncomfortable
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I love my 110 to bits and yes it's noisy and hot in the summer and cold in the winter,did i mention it leaks like a tea bag.
But i love driving it.
My dad has brought a new L200 and had to have a new gear box fitted 3 months in to ownership.Then the new gearbox started leaking oil on his drive.
He's just got it back from the dealships paint shop coz the bottom of both front doors started to rust.
Defenders are over priced but if looked after they hold on to that price.
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This subject is always good for mine's better than yours arguements i like my 110 don't care what anyone says it's comfterble it's warm it doesn't leak like a sieve it's quick it does what i want it to and as for reliable wellll so far so good, Jap stuff well they make some brilliant off roaders if i could afford it would love a landcruiser amazon but i would get bored due to being hard to personilse like mine has been. Had it for 13 years and it's alltered to my changes in life i.e started out as a standard hard top then changed to the rear being a camper with fold out bed then put windows and seats in the back and if i want to change it to a station wagon get the bit's and bolt them on.. so go with what ever floats your boat. Life would be very boring if we all liked the same!! ;) ;) :lol:
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This subject is always good for mine's better than yours arguements i like my 110 don't care what anyone says it's comfterble it's warm it doesn't leak like a sieve it's quick it does what i want it to and as for reliable wellll so far so good, Jap stuff well they make some brilliant off roaders if i could afford it would love a landcruiser amazon but i would get bored due to being hard to personilse like mine has been. Had it for 13 years and it's alltered to my changes in life i.e started out as a standard hard top then changed to the rear being a camper with fold out bed then put windows and seats in the back and if i want to change it to a station wagon get the bit's and bolt them on.. so go with what ever floats your boat. Life would be very boring if we all liked the same!! ;) ;) :lol:
too true
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Yep lada niva just take the tow bar off :D
Cheers Gav
AGREED!!!
(mine is slightly bent!!)
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When I got divorced I bought a Freelander TD4 with the proceeds. The family soon out grew that (extra grandkids) so I got myself a DiscoTD5 and think it is great. A mate of mine has a Suzuki Jimny and he thinks that is great.
Both the Freeby and the Jimny went around Cowm Quarry and we lived to tell the tale - The jimny did float a bit in that big lagoon on the far side.
I would rather have a Landy - it is what I have always wanted. At least you can order parts without referring to the chassis number :shock:
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Whatever 4x4 you drive, it's ultimately down to personal choice.
Me? ............ Land Rover every time and if you don't believe me, I was up at Cannock Chase on Saturday and in my group I had a Mitsi, Isuzu and Disco1 ...........
bearing mind all 3 drivers were of similar experience - it was the Disco that made it places the othe rtwo could only dream of.
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well after a very long period of owning a Landy and having drivin Jap stuff abroad in sandy places, i have now turned the corner and own a Honda foreman quad bike :shock: :shock: and i can tell you now stuff 4x4 quads win everytime :lol: :lol: :lol: your get wet cold numb but your still smiling :D :D :D
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this is one of them questions to stir the pot, loads of people have there own choice, at the end of the day whatever you drive if it gets you the same enjoyment as some one who has spent 10k on there 4x4 and you payed 1k who cares
i own a jap motor where i have spent loads of cash on it to get it the way i want, but i also like 90,s when there tricked up look very nice,
but saying that how many times when offroading and you have been stuck has there been a daft little 100 quid suzuki flying past lol
end of day as long as you drive and enjoy it who gives a monkeys what it is?
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....end of day as long as you drive and enjoy it who gives a monkeys what it is?
Too true :clap:
But I still say my car is better than your car :dance: ;)