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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: waveydavey on September 07, 2008, 19:54:28
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I said at the start of the year that the FIA would stop Hamilton winning but how biased can you get?
Ferrari put somebody in hospital and cut somebody up big time in Valencia and get no real penalty
Mclaren get forced to cut a corner; back off to compensate and get busted from 1st to 3rd at Spa
If the FIA keep up this level of blatant bias I think I really will loose interest
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i think they have done it just to make it "more interesting" at the top... :'( which is a real shame.
too much politics in sport now-a-days :'(
R
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He was forced off and gave the place back :shock:
I bet theres an appeal going in....
he won that fair and square :evil:
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He's in a Mclaren, he's not allowed to win... :evil:
I really wanted to see them lift the trophy this year, just to stick two fingers up to Max Mosley and his dictatorship.
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That ferrari for you there just sore losers.
What did they want Lewis to do run in to him instead
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I some times wonder if the FIA are sponsored by Ferrari? It's so biased.
I only watch it to see if Hamilton can beat them in his inferior car but amazing talent.
GO LEWIS GO
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My Mrs deleted it from Sky+ What happened after lap 35!!
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The FIA are trying to destroy SPORT, they are fools and im sure lots of people can see that.
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I some times wonder if the FIA are sponsored by Ferrari? It's so biased.
I only watch it to see if Hamilton can beat them in his inferior car but amazing talent.
GO LEWIS GO
Look at the FIA website, which racing team has a pride of place advert, Ferrari!
We've now given up watching, the (bar) stewards and FIA have killed the sport...
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2009 Driver lineup if this farce continues
(http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/judges.jpg)
I think I may bocott ferari and all their sponsors.
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well said
no more shell or vodafone for me
i thought that the general idea was racing
they said nothing about kimi weaving squeezing Lewis off the track in the first place or weaving like a loon to keep him behind.
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I did hear that it was not Ferrari that Appealed, it was someone who raised the issue and then asked Ferrari to comment. Like the person who thought about moving McLarend down the pit lane due to no points last year and then asked the teams to second it... I wonder who....,
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I think it sucks. Whenever there is a stewards decision it always goes in favour of ferrari, then they try and tell us there is no bias =; what about Kimi's weaving at the end of that straight? that's a clear violation of the rules [-X. Well the ones that apply to 9 out of 10 teams anyway.
2 weeks ago in F2 there was a similar pitlane incident right before the F1 and the driver was penalised, ferrari do it 2 hours later and nothing happens.
I think Ron should try painting his cars red, maybe that might level the playing field.
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well said
no more shell or vodafone for me
i thought that the general idea was racing
they said nothing about kimi weaving squeezing Lewis off the track in the first place or weaving like a loon to keep him behind.
I'm pretty sure Vodafone sponsor Mclaren, not Ferrari!
Ferrari don't seem to have much in the way of sponsorship on the cars of late. Not buying any Fiat group products might be a good one though...
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I thought that vodafone sponsored Mclaren, oops :oops:
Right - Im not gonna buy a ferrari, ever
thats a commitment I know I can keep.
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Not buying any Fiat group products might be a good one though...
A policy that has always served me well ;)
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I wonder how it would have finished if Kimi would've learned to drive in the wet...
What i mean is, he over took 2 cars under a waved yellow (Hamilton and Rosberg)
F1, ruined..once again by men in suits
Sad, very sad
:evil:
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As mentioned above, FIA must be heavily sponsered by Ferrari, how many times before have we seen incidents involving Ferrari & another type of car & the results go Ferrari way. Bl--dy disgraceful.
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Ferrari don't need sponsors - they have the FIA.
Ferrari International Aid
Ferrari Intentional Assistance
Ferrari Intense Advantage
They actually have a double problem now:
Not only can they not let Mclaren win but Lewis is only 23 - if they let him win a world championship already he might go on to beat the German's record - we can't have that, not from a Jolly Englishman, especially not one like 'that'.
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to be fair... "the germans record" is a bloody good one, and the german your referring to is one of the best.
not that im a ferrari fan, and i think its a farce too, but i dont think theyre doing it because of schumi's record!!
R
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More gossip.
Allegedly the rule states if you cut a corner and gain an advantage
a) you must relinquish it (lets say he did)
b) you must not overtake on the next corner (and he did so maybe thats valid and its not an obvious rule hence post race as opposed to during it)
However as the person he overtook did not finish then he has no advantage over anyone else so why penalize him, I saw in the background the other Ferrari was all 4 wheels off the track round a bend so the "if there was a wall there" argument is not valid.
I have stuck black tape over the Logos on my Acer Ferrari laptop by the way. Also I once got a load of promo Ferrari t-shirts and im glad I used them as rags to polish my Lotus.
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Allegedly the rule states if you cut a corner and gain an advantage
a) you must relinquish it (lets say he did)
b) you must not overtake on the next corner (and he did so maybe that's valid and its not an obvious rule hence post race as opposed to during it)
Fair enough if they did break the rules but then Ferrari broke them in Valencia but didn't get a penalty.
As for Schumakker; yes he was good but not the best; he only got his records because Sena died.
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So did anyone else see it today?
What a farce, it seems the stewards have their red tinted glasses on again, so they can't see red cars being naughty :evil:
What about pooor old Bordais? minding his own business and gets tipped off by a ferrari, then gets penalised. I guess we should be glad they didn't dock Hamilton the points for that escapade too.
Or have you all got so fed up with the clearly biased "change the rules to suite red cars" FIA that you've stopped watching?
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yea watched and must say that one of them red cars that went off the track then hit lewis making him spin off then he could not rejoin till last postion and hamilton gets a drive through for it..... think i will go back to watching ralling and touring cars no red tinited glasses in that.
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So did anyone else see it today?
Or have you all got so fed up with the clearly biased "change the rules to suite red cars" FIA that you've stopped watching?
We were deep sea; no picture for the live race and having read how blatant the stewards had been again I couldn't be bothered to watch the replay.
Maybe this is why Max Mosely is suddenly trying to cut costs; the audiences are dropping because of what the FIA are doing so there is less sponsorship available.
Not only that but i suspect that the big sponsors will be questioning if they want to be associated with a clearly corrupt sport.
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I dont think I can watch it anymore. I think the decision on Hamilton was a bit harsh but made because the Ferrari hit him and also receive a penalty so thay wanted to be seen a "even handed".
However the incident with Bordais was ridiculous, how can ferrari turn in on a car thats got wheels on the kerb and it be the other cars fault.
Goodbye F1 you stink.
PS The move to BBC no doubt does not help attract sponsors.
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Yeah, my flabber was absolutely gasted again. :twisted: :twisted:
3rd from last farce of the season was another bone of contention in our house when the extra point :shock: was given to Massa at Bourdais's cost (I hope they put in a complaint).
No mention was made after the race about Massa having all four wheels the wrong side of the solid white line (which define the race circuit) down the finish straight to pass someone for a place, :shock: :shock: and proceed over the chevron area and into the pit exit lane :evil: :evil:
Still think Lewis will do it though [-o< [-o<
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Or have you all got so fed up with the clearly biased "change the rules to suite red cars" FIA that you've stopped watching?
I stopped following F1 years ago. It got to a 'follow the leader' situation and the only overtaking was if someone broke down or was a bit slow out of the pits. The racing was only about how quickly the pit crew could change tyres and refuel.
I did start watching a few since the rules changed, and it would be reasonable to say the racing is more exciting now. But the politics still gets on my wick, so I don't go out of my way to see the races.
Give me a good club race day over F1 any day. The racing is close and exciting. But back in the paddock everyone is back to being best mates.
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did no one think it was nice to see some other drivers up in the points?
os was that just me :?
i still think hamilton is a bit imature, he just doesnt seem to learn. he did the same thing season!!
R
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Lets just pray Lewis wins the championship [-o<
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No mention was made after the race about Massa having all four wheels the wrong side of the solid white line (which define the race circuit) down the finish straight to pass someone for a place, :shock: :shock: and proceed over the chevron area and into the pit exit lane :evil: :evil:
If the FIA noticed they'd probably award the other guy's points to Massa too.
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this is a very anti ferrari thread :|
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i cant beleive bourdais was penalised for taking the racing line to defend his place as he came out of the pits, if anyone was at fault i think it was massa.
raikenen did it a few laps earlier, but he wasnt penalised - admittedly the other driver in that one was looking where he was going and didnt do what massa did
i do think hamilton deserved his penalty for the 1st corner incident, that was wild and reckless and could have caused much more carnage in the rest of the field
as for massas penalty, it was hardly justice for ruining the rest of hamiltons race due to aerodynamic damage caused by being rammed off the road
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The best bit of the Japanese Grand Prix was after 2 weeks of Hamilton saying he won't make anymore mistakes this season and that he will drive for points rather than wins to ensure the championship... As soon as the lights go out, he gets a severe case of red mist and screws up his own race!!!! Hilarious!!
Talk about F1 being biased, people only ever talk about Hamilton. It's Hamilton this, Hamilton that. There are 21 other drivers too! Some of them as good, if not better than Hamilton, who just happens to be in one of the best (if not the best) cars on the grid! No surprise he does well really. Kubica would probaly win loads if he drove a Maclaren too (for example)...
I don't remember Mansell, Hill, Coulthard or Button being lauded as the new Christ when they started in F1!!
I think more people are wearing Hamilton tinted glasses than red tinted glasses...
IMO
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Yes I am a McLaren fan but I am not anti Ferrari; I just believe that the rules should be applied evenly to all the teams not in favour of one team - as it stands Ferrari unquestionably get a more lenient application.
I agree that there are some outstanding drivers in the grid now; Kubica is one but also Vettel and Glock would fly in the right cars.
Lets be honset Massa is fast but there is no way he would be where he is without the car OR without the help from the FIA.
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when judging drivers the best way to do so is to see how they qualify against their team mates and lets face it thats goin to prove further what a talent Lewis is.
his first year in F1 he mostly out gunned the world champion - none of the other GB drivers did that in their rookie no matter what the car.
not anti ferrari - but whats going on is plainly just not fair.
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when judging drivers the best way to do so is to see how they qualify against their team mates and lets face it thats goin to prove further what a talent Lewis is.
his first year in F1 he mostly out gunned the world champion - none of the other GB drivers did that in their rookie no matter what the car.
not anti ferrari - but whats going on is plainly just not fair.
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when judging drivers the best way to do so is to see how they qualify against their team mates and lets face it that's going to prove further what a talent Lewis is.
his first year in F1 he mostly out gunned the world champion - none of the other GB drivers did that in their rookie no matter what the car.
not anti ferrari - but whats going on is plainly just not fair.
That is very true; in a rookie season he finished ahead of a 2x World Champion in the same car.
There really has to be a talent there to achieve that whatever your personal view.
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Oh I wonder what the outcome would have been..........
(http://images42.fotki.com/v1320/photos/3/386139/1365092/HamiltonDisqualified-vi.jpg)
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the offending drivers left hand tyres are not over the white line, so its still legal
dirty, but legal
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ahh well.. thats my fault in photoshop.
Massa made sure that he is well at fault...
(http://www.btccinfo.co.uk/forum/cap00180.jpg)
and...
(http://www.btccinfo.co.uk/forum/cap00168.jpg)
If it was anyone else......
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Whilst you've got photoshoip out, why not stick a 101 in there instead, they crop up in all sorts of places.
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I don't rate Hamilton much, way to cocky and big headed, no wonder the others don't like him much,
I can't think of any other driver that climbed staight into a top car..
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I don't rate Hamilton much.....................
you obviously know nothing about what makes a talented driver then.
like him or loathe him , he is quick.
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I don't rate Hamilton much, way to cocky and big headed, no wonder the others don't like him much,
I can't think of any other driver that climbed straight into a top car..
Like him or not he was in the same car as a World Champion and got more points despite all the aggro.
One thing for certain is they don't win F1 races by being all polite and letting the other guy past.
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absolutely - remember the schumacher years
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Few thoughts.
A. There has been hardly any overtaking for position in the last 5 years so no no one (stewards) can remember what to do if it happens!
B. Diddnt they forbid team order for passing (not that I agree with the ban its a "team") so any inquiry into Ferrari?
C. Did they not appoint a "firness judge" to stop McLaren form issuing team order to Alonso (In favour of Hamilton) last year ??
I think I may get a Ferrari, apparently if you park in a car park right at the back of a supermarket car park, while are shopping the FIA will move it up to the front door for you and move all the other cars down.
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Sound like they are thinking of changeing the way the fia do the umpiring. by selecting three umpires for the whole season rather than 3 for every race and like mark said in the pre race talk they should have a ex race driver in the stwarts group as nonof the current ones have ever been in a race car let alone a f1 car so they don't know what the real world is like on the race track