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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: william127 on January 09, 2009, 23:28:06
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had a break in at our barn last night, they cut through a scaffold pole with a hacksaw and leavered th e door fame apart, looked at our inner lock up and didnt attempt to get in that, all they took was 27 spanner, my sockets and my bike :evil: what was wierd was what they left- the 22- 30mm spanners, but they took all the smaller ones and the biggest, they left my profesional rachet worth forty quid and they picked up and moved a 9inch angle grinder worth £110 so not onlyare they burglars, theyre not even very good at it :evil: hopefully theyll come back for another go when im working late, so i can rehabilitate them :twisted:
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i hate scum like that, they need a bloody good kicking
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Will,
you should wire the scaff pole up to the mains :twisted:
or, install a 'guard pig' in the barn at night ;)
Jim
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it sounds like they might be comming back now they have seen what you have got, be on your gaurd and when you catch them give them some hands on education, wink wink
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damn right,they need stopping and pointing in the right directing ;) ;) :twisted:
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jim did u talk to dad yesterday a i suggested exactly those two things to him :-k id like it if they came back when we are there, if they saw me holding my "officer crabtree stick" theyed soon change there minds ;)
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Catch them, make sure you are wearing balaclavas/gloves and hand out some justice.
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I have read that the most likely time for a repeat visit from burglars is around a month after their initial attack. Because they know that you'll most likely have replaced the things they stole last time and they already know how to break into the property. Also beware throwing out large numbers of boxes from expensive tools or appliances - they apparently have been known to watch what people are putting out with the bins and thereby spot their targets.
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Careful, they nicked the 27mm socket so they can have the wheesl of Land Rovers :-.
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dont think i had a 27 mm socket and if i did its still there as they only took the sockets on a rail not the loose ones for some reason, they went through all the drawers on the cabinet, left my multimeter, ratchets, big and little angle grinders, worked it out and the tools will probably cost about £120 to replace and the bike about £200 grrr :evil: could have been worse though
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jim did u talk to dad yesterday a i suggested exactly those two things to him :-k id like it if they came back when we are there, if they saw me holding my "officer crabtree stick" theyed soon change there minds ;)
Nah, not spoken to him for a while - great minds think alike though :shock:
Jim
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simple minds jim, simple minds
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Catch them, make sure you are wearing balaclavas/gloves and hand out some justice.
This may be of interest. I lifted it from a legal website:
The Law on Using Reasonable Force
"There are widespread concerns that the honest citizen faces an increasingly uneven playing-field against a rising tide of lawless thugs. However, the law of self-defence has, for hundreds of years, provided a potentially limitless justification for acts of violence against attackers. So wide-ranging is the protection that an individual may use violence and weapons resulting in serious injuries, and even death, depending on the circumstances in which they find themselves.
The Test
An individual charged with an offence such as assault may claim to have been acting in self-defence. The question that will have to be answered is whether the amount of force used was, objectively, reasonable in the circumstances as the individual honestly believed them to be. In other words, did he really believe that the only way to prevent himself, or someone else, being harmed was to hurt the attacker?
This is a question that will have to be answered by the jury. In answering it the jury will take into account both the particular characteristics of the individual – such as their age, gender and relative strength – and the circumstances surrounding their actions. The jury will have to ask whether the average, reasonable person sharing the individual’s characteristics would have acted in the same way if they had been in that situation. However, if the individual suffers from a psychiatric condition which contributed to them acting in the way they did this cannot be used as an excuse and should not be taken into account.
What is Reasonable on the Spur of the Moment?
It is accepted by the courts that a person who is being attacked, or who genuinely believes that they are about to be attacked, is unlikely to have the time to sit down and consider all the options before taking action. People who believe they are being attacked are going to act on the spur of the moment. Almost by definition the amount of force used will be considered to have been reasonable if the individual can show that they acted instinctively.
Self-Defence in the Home
When householders find that there is an intruder in their home, it is likely that almost any amount of force or violence they use to protect themselves and their family will be justified. If the force was used to protect or defend the occupants from harm it will probably have been reasonable.
Self-defence is a common law defence which means that case law determines the tests to be applied when an individual relies on it in court. One thing is clear from looking at the cases that deal with reasonable force - very few of them relate to householders tackling intruders. Generally speaking, the Crown Prosecution Service does not prosecute householders who use violence in these circumstances. Therefore, despite the public perception, these incidents almost never come to court. The CPS and the police frequently conclude that householders have acted lawfully even in situations where weapons and considerable violence have been used against intruders.
Reality and the Media
This subject is extremely emotive: people feel very strongly about their right to protect themselves, their families and their homes. Therefore, when a householder is prosecuted after using force against an intruder the case tends to receive a lot of media attention. This can lead to a distorted impression of the proportion of these cases that lead to prosecutions.
It was recently said by the Director of Public Prosecutions that, in the last 15 years, there have only been 11 cases where householders have been prosecuted after tackling intruders. As long as a householder acts instinctively, in the honest belief that they need to act in this way to protect themselves and their family, almost any level of violence can be used."
Simple,eh?
However, as someone who has dealt with cases such as this, I would suggest that going out with the idea of catching them, while wearing items that are likely to disguise you, would put you in the realms of 'pre-meditated' and therefore likely to be dealt with more severely than the ones who carried out the burglary.
My advice? Do the best you can to protect barn and contents, then call the Police if something happens, saying that you've been burgled before. That should 'up' the level of response.
I appreciate that this post will not be popular with some and will no doubt make me the target of 'Why aren't the Police out catching criminals instead of motorists, blah blah' type of rants, but is it realy worth putting your personal liberty at risk for some thieving, lying, scumbag lowlife? I'd suggest not.
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Well said LSP - much as you often feel like it why lower yourself to Scumbag standards?
Never argue with an idiot - they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
Interesting site though where was that?
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Well said LSP - much as you often feel like it why lower yourself to Scumbag standards?
Never argue with an idiot - they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
Interesting site though where was that?
I honestly can't recall. I just did a search on 'reasonable force' and up it popped. Mind you I did check tomake sure it wasn't the Anerican version :shock:
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All good stuff, I sometimes get involved with organising personal safety events for staff and the police chap always stresses that after defending yourself shall we say against a mugger etc - one of the first things you say to the police officer is 'I was scared and an fear of my life'.
The term reasonable is always going to be in debate but it tends to be when you try to defend yourself with a gun that you find yourself in trouble as it's not usually the first thing that should come legally to hand.
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Criminals get too much protection. They operate knowing that they will likely get away with it, and if they do get caught it will be a slapped wrist, and as such know they can get away with it. Even with good policing and improving forensics etc, this does seem to be the case.
My comment about handing out some justice, theiving scum need to be taught a lesson. I think they deserve a good beating if they are going to attempt to rob things I have bought with my hard earned.
Chris
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out of intrest, my barn is fairly isolated, if i were driving past and saw a car /van outside with someone in the barn nicking would i be in my rights to call the :police:, and then creep up and slash their tyres so they cant get away, then back up the road and wait for the :police:? also if i did decide to take a burglar on, and thumped him once could i be acussed of unreasnable force as im 6foot6 and 18stone if he was "ordinary sized"?
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Just as a note of caution,theives are not allways known to go down with one punch,nor are they paticularily happy at being disturbed or caught in the act,it's ok saying what you would like to do to them but in the heat of the moment things don't go as you would expect.
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I was scared and in fear of my life... I also remembered that I have some disused mine shafts on my land and am only a short walk form a cliff with currents that take things out to the Atlantic.
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out of intrest, my barn is fairly isolated, if i were driving past and saw a car /van outside with someone in the barn nicking would i be in my rights to call the :police:, and then creep up and slash their tyres so they cant get away, then back up the road and wait for the :police:? also if i did decide to take a burglar on, and thumped him once could i be acussed of unreasnable force as im 6foot6 and 18stone if he was "ordinary sized"?
A couple of interesting points.
From experience, the lowlife who burgle rural buildings tend to go out in groups, so if you take one down, will there more to deal with?
As mentioned in the bit about above about 'reasonable force', each incident is looked at in all its detail.
It is very difficult for me to make a decision on theoretical situations. Saying that, I personally would not have a problem with what you are saying, but it would probably still end up being investigated.