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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: muky-kid. on March 28, 2005, 00:13:36
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:shock: What started of as a nice gentle Sunday laning trip soon turned into the rescue of a lifetime. I wont go into detail... (Ill let my mates do that :evil: ). But heres a pic of whats left of my rear diff.. :lol: :lol:
Lets just say im not going up Chapel Gate ever again ever and i mean never. :lol:
:lol: O.H and the hole episode was caught on video. AN HOURS WORTH! First i got stuck, then macca got stuck... well ill let them explane. :D
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That looks like something out of Aliens :lol:
It also looks expensive :(
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was a damn shame Mike :( Hope you got home OK in the end. Right Chaps - I'll kick off the diff whippy with a tenner :wink:
Oh -and heres a few pics of todays escapade :wink: Derbyshire Lanes (http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/Andy%20the%20Landy/gallery/Easter%20Sun%20Laning)
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That looks like something out of Aliens :lol:
It also looks expensive :(
O.H Yes. Hurt my pride more than anything, it was funny afterwards though, when ide calmed down. Even Ramblers were takeing the mick nothing serious just haveing a laugh at my expense. The video is well worth seeing, what a performance. :lol: Took the halfshafts out when i eventually got back down, then the diff just gave up and exploded.... :lol:
Anyone got a rear diff for a classic rangie :lol:
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Some great pics there :D
That 90 looks cool, and who's is the Disco with the large mud pluggers on :D
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was a damn shame Mike :( Hope you got home OK in the end. Right Chaps - I'll kick off the diff whippy with a tenner :wink:
Oh -and heres a few pics of todays escapade :wink: http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/Andy%20the%20Landy/gallery/Easter%20Sun%20Laning
:lol: :lol: Hi Andy, yeah got to DPGs alright in the end with macca were we had a chippy tea curtousy of DPG. After which we watched the vid, o.h how they laughed. :lol:
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Some great pics there :D
That 90 looks cool, and who's is the Disco with the large mud pluggers on :D
8) The Disco belongs to DPG it was its first outing today and did really well..... git. :lol:
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Some great pics there :D
That 90 looks cool, and who's is the Disco with the large mud pluggers on :D
The Disco belongs to DPG and was my taxi home :twisted: I'm sure he'll be along soon to take the mickey - once he's stopped laughing :P
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Is the video going public, on here or your own web site so we can all see the drama :?:
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i gotta spear diff if ya want it down in kettering tho
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Some great pics there :D
That 90 looks cool, and who's is the Disco with the large mud pluggers on :D
The Disco belongs to DPG and was my taxi home :twisted: I'm sure he'll be along soon to take the mickey - once he's stopped laughing :P
:D 8) Some smart pics you took Andy. Ive only got a couple which i will put in my Gallery later, most of my stuff is via mobile phone video Chapel Gate vid looks really good, pity i cant put it on here.. as its in 3G format. :( Come macca and DPG were are you im waiting for the wise cracks... :lol:
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Mike - if you take up diesel-boys offer of the diff in Kettering I'll give you a lift in my car - not free for a couple of weeks tho
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Someone needs to tell us how to punch a hole that big in an axle casing!
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Someone needs to tell us how to punch a hole that big in an axle casing!
I'll leave that to the expert :lol:
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Is the video going public, on here or your own web site so we can all see the drama :?:
:( My websites not running at the moment, but im sure if DPG had a word with Tim or Datalas im hopeing it can be made public, its a good laugh but i wouldnt show it to R.A members. :lol: It was just one of those things, half way up a steep hill on its side then diff goes, cant be helped. :(
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i gotta spear diff if ya want it down in kettering tho
:D Cheers mate, but its a bit far to travel and i should found one locally soon even DPG might have one knockin around. But thanks anyway. :D
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Mike - if you take up diesel-boys offer of the diff in Kettering I'll give you a lift in my car - not free for a couple of weeks tho
:D Cheers Andy, ill bare that in mind.But hopefully ill get one nearer home this week whilst im on holiday. :D
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Someone needs to tell us how to punch a hole that big in an axle casing!
I'll leave that to the expert :lol:
Easy really, lend me your Rangie and ill show you how its done :lol: Funny though, i doesnt mention this in the Haynes Manual... :?
What happened, was it was cross axeled badly on a steep hill, i put her in reverse to come back down or to get her moveing when the N/S/R wheel was clear of the ground then sudenly came in contact with mother earth whilst at the same time came in contact with a imoveable object and the sudden jolt on the running gear when everything suddenly stop moveing caused something to give. Not the UJs not the prop it self and not even the halfshafts were damaged, just the Crown wheel and pinion decided to escape via the diff caseing. But whilst all this was going on DPG and macca was trying to stop the Rangie from tipping over. My mistake ill learn we all have days like this...... i hope. :lol:
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I've heard of halfshafts and the like busting when spinning a wheel that then touches down, but never a diff! Maybee it was it's time.
If you can't get a diff I know a place you can try near me (I don't mean my shed).
Is chapel gate the one with a strip of tarmac no wider than a 'G' string? If so I remember that one, my a**e was gripping the seat going up there, and it looks worse now in your pictures. Maybe we should go up there and shovel that tarmac into the troughs before someone really comes a cropper.
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Someone needs to tell us how to punch a hole that big in an axle casing!
Mucky's only a small chap but he's got a bloody big right foot put that with been in a bit of a bloody big washout going up hill and sliding of a side of a bank you get a big bang :oops: and me, andy landy & macca with rock and waffle boards and hanging on the side to get him back down and it dos'ent help when the ground is damp and very slippy :lol: only took us a few hours in all to get him out best of all macca drove up to pull him back and slide side ways and got grounded on the tarmac stip in the middle we then spent half a hour with a high lift jack geting him of that :oops: :lol: that was a gentle days lanning :shock:
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Some great pics there :D
That 90 looks cool, and who's is the Disco with the large mud pluggers on :D
The Disco belongs to DPG and was my taxi home :twisted: I'm sure he'll be along soon to take the mickey - once he's stopped laughing :P
:D 8) Some smart pics you took Andy. Ive only got a couple which i will put in my Gallery later, most of my stuff is via mobile phone video Chapel Gate vid looks really good, pity i cant put it on here.. as its in 3G format. :( Come macca and DPG were are you im waiting for the wise cracks... :lol:
hi muky kid just got in,one hell of a day i think next time just take andy the landy to the coal pit there are no gates there he must of got fed up with opening and shuting the gates today,and carrying stones and waffle boards.but what teamwork,all got home minus one rear diff and now we can all laugh about it.
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Some great pics there :D
That 90 looks cool, and who's is the Disco with the large mud pluggers on :D
The Disco belongs to DPG and was my taxi home :twisted: I'm sure he'll be along soon to take the mickey - once he's stopped laughing :P
:D 8) Some smart pics you took Andy. Ive only got a couple which i will put in my Gallery later, most of my stuff is via mobile phone video Chapel Gate vid looks really good, pity i cant put it on here.. as its in 3G format. :( Come macca and DPG were are you im waiting for the wise cracks... :lol:
hi muky kid just got in,one hell of a day i think next time just take andy the landy to the coal pit there are no gates there he must of got fed up with opening and shuting the gates today,and carrying stones and waffle boards.but what teamwork,all got home minus one rear diff and now we can all laugh about it.
just about :lol: :lol: some pics here http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/DPG/gallery/laning%20easter%20sunday
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I've heard of halfshafts and the like busting when spinning a wheel that then touches down, but never a diff! Maybee it was it's time.
If you can't get a diff I know a place you can try near me (I don't mean my shed).
Is chapel gate the one with a strip of tarmac no wider than a 'G' string? If so I remember that one, my a**e was gripping the seat going up there, and it looks worse now in your pictures. Maybe we should go up there and shovel that tarmac into the troughs before someone really comes a cropper.
:lol: Yep i think it was its time, and yes Chapel Gate is the one with strips of tarmac running down. Ive done this route last year in my old Suzuki sj with no probs, but since then it really has got chewed up and is nasty in places. To be honest in hindsight i shouldnt have gone up but in the spure of the moment... :roll: Whilst trying to get the Rangie back down, macca and DPG were actually breaking up some of the tarmac and filling in some of the ruts to help stop the rangie from tipping over. Infact now i think about it. It was a stupid thing to do but you live and learn. And it certainly could do with a work party up there to do some maintanence before someone does come a cropper. You see Chapel has got me before but i didnt learn to stay away, that time i was on my mountain bike charging down with DPG in tow, and yep over the handle bars at about 20mph on the ruff steep section. Got away with just a cut above my eye and some grazes, but this route just keeps calling me back for more.. :lol:
:D Ill be intouch about the Diff in a couple of days if i cant get one locally.
Just add if anyone is thinking of doing this route in the near future Beware its Ruff. Proberbly o.k in the dry.
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Some great pics there :D
That 90 looks cool, and who's is the Disco with the large mud pluggers on :D
The Disco belongs to DPG and was my taxi home :twisted: I'm sure he'll be along soon to take the mickey - once he's stopped laughing :P
:D 8) Some smart pics you took Andy. Ive only got a couple which i will put in my Gallery later, most of my stuff is via mobile phone video Chapel Gate vid looks really good, pity i cant put it on here.. as its in 3G format. :( Come macca and DPG were are you im waiting for the wise cracks... :lol:
hi muky kid just got in,one hell of a day i think next time just take andy the landy to the coal pit there are no gates there he must of got fed up with opening and shuting the gates today,and carrying stones and waffle boards.but what teamwork,all got home minus one rear diff and now we can all laugh about it.
just about :lol: :lol: some pics herehttp://members.mud-club.com/profiles/DPG/gallery/laning%20easter%20sunday
:lol: :lol: Good pic of me stuck on Chapel.... ooooooo that diff looks a bit sore. :lol: :lol:
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:lol: Right ill put my picks in my Gallery now before i go to bed, and have nightmares.... :lol:
I dont think i can make it now to Whitworth Quarry on the 10th. :( Proberbly just as well. :lol:
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That diff looks a bit sore not as sore as my back from luging rock and waffle boards about :( :cry:
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That diff looks a bit sore not as sore as my back from luging rock and waffle boards about :( :cry:
:lol: Now Now, you know ide do the same for you, after ide stoped laughing... :lol:
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:lol: Heres some of my pics, not many cos i used my mobile phone instead to take vid clips got about 1/2 hours worth, and DPGs got an hours worth just on Chapel Gate recueing me and macca. :lol:
http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/muky-kid./gallery/Derbyshire%20Easter%20trip.
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hi muky kid its been a DIFFerent day today a craking one,but when you get stuck in you really get stuck in. just to let you know todays photos are on my gallery.check the one off you in the quary are they orbs around you man i think somone is haunting you :twisted: :twisted:
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oooh! looks like you had fun ;-)
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now i no what the diff protector is for it to actualy hold the axel togeather when it goes bang and there me thinking it stops out side stuf getting in not inside getting out :lol:
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Sort of a bib really :(biglaugh):
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hi muky kid its been a DIFFerent day today a craking one,but when you get stuck in you really get stuck in. just to let you know todays photos are on my gallery.check the one off you in the quary are they orbs around you man i think somone is haunting you :twisted: :twisted:
Yeah Chapel gate :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
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Sort of a bib really :(biglaugh):
Don't know about a bib a nappy at one point :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:lol: Ill be back. But not on Chapel... :wink:
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hi muky kid just got in,one hell of a day i think next time just take andy the landy to the coal pit there are no gates there he must of got fed up with opening and shuting the gates today,and carrying stones and waffle boards.but what teamwork,all got home minus one rear diff and now we can all laugh about it.
:lol: Didnt mind opening and shutting the gates - Muky had even put a nice bit of carpet in the passenger footwell to wipe my muddy boots on :twisted: .Not having done much serious laning till yesterday it was certainly a steep learning curve, but very enjoyable and great to see the professional teamwork in recovery when the poop hits the fan :wink: When are we going again [-o<
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Any time andy :wink: sonner you get yours back on the road the better its more fun driving than been a passenger but until then your always welcome as a passenger plus my lads are fed up of opening & shuting gates :lol: don't now about the professional bit more like a fluke :oops:
Its a shame that happend but its just one of them things :roll: it would of been nice to take you over the top and down the steps we will do that next time weather premiting :twisted:
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im up for that again but this time come down the way and up the steps.
you know me just going to go for it,as mike would say.
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:shock: What started of as a nice gentle Sunday laning trip soon turned into the rescue of a lifetime. I wont go into detail... (Ill let my mates do that :evil: ). But heres a pic of whats left of my rear diff.. :lol: :lol:
Lets just say im not going up Chapel Gate ever again ever and i mean never. :lol:
get back in there and do it again i will not hear that kind of talk of you giving up like that :o :roll:
:lol: O.H and the hole episode was caught on video. AN HOURS WORTH! First i got stuck, then macca got stuck... well ill let them explane. :D
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Any time andy :wink:
Sorted :D :wink: Bits for chassis being ordered this week \:D/ Paddocks have no chassis legs in stock though :evil: Will have a shop around :D
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My QT Diff guard kept the bits in when mine went although it still holed the diff casing.
It shattered the carrier and released the pins that came out like bullets.
It's all down to hitting the loud pedal with no grip and then a wheel gets some grip and BANG!
Either the halfshafts go, the diff goes or something happens to the trailing arms and prop.
Cue Bev......
Ed
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http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/Wanderer/gallery/Diff%20damage has my photos.
Ed
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looks like plenty of fun went into making a hole that size :D :D
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well after replacing the 8th diff thats tried that escape route & welded the hole up it does get rather boring :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:shock: What started of as a nice gentle Sunday laning trip soon turned into the rescue of a lifetime. I wont go into detail... (Ill let my mates do that :evil: ). But heres a pic of whats left of my rear diff.. :lol: :lol:
Lets just say im not going up Chapel Gate ever again ever and i mean never. :lol:
get back in there and do it again i will not hear that kind of talk of you giving up like that :o :roll:
:lol: O.H and the hole episode was caught on video. AN HOURS WORTH! First i got stuck, then macca got stuck... well ill let them explane. :D
:? Ithink next time well go down it as pointed out by Wayfinder, much easyier apparently, tricky in any direction i think. :evil:
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:? Ithink next time well go down it as pointed out by Wayfinder, much easyier apparently, tricky in any direction i think. :evil:
:lol: So it aint put you off then :lol: In the words of 'Arnie' 'I'll be Back' :twisted:
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:D O.H yeah, ill be back, fitting an other diff this weekend so ill be going to Whitworth Quarry after all. As for Chapel, ill do it again but from the other direction and in better weather.... :lol: :lol:
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Ouch - that looks painful :(
chapel gate has really got bad recently. i went up it a couple of weeks ago and it was much worse than i went with Range rover blues in late january.
i'm not convinced that coming down it would be any easier - down right scary on that nasty side slope bit. perhaps i'd better go and try it :shock:
did you do roych?
regards
dom
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Ouch - that looks painful :(
chapel gate has really got bad recently. i went up it a couple of weeks ago and it was much worse than i went with Range rover blues in late january.
i'm not convinced that coming down it would be any easier - down right scary on that nasty side slope bit. perhaps i'd better go and try it :shock:
did you do roych?
regards
dom
No we didn't make it to the roych by the time we got mucky out it was to late :cry: hows it holding up along there now and if you go on chapel see if you can find mucky's diff :lol: :lol:
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looks like you had a good laugh even if you did break it, never mind
muky kid look forward to seeing you at bala
will have to let me know the ordance map numbers so me and stanton boy can give it a try :D
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Roych aint the lane it used to be thats for sure :(
It's holding up very well, no sign off deterioration yet :(
Had an epic up there 3 weeks ago in the snowdrifts - foolishly decided to do it and spent a few hours going a 100 feet through 6 foot snow drifts. Lots of digging, winching, and setting up ground anchors (which weren't holding for more than 10 ft)
Still it was good fun and we did it :lol:
regards
dom
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:evil: Hi all, ive just spent most of the day and DPGs welding skills, fixing the rear diff and diff pan on the Rangie. Everything went to plan the Pan was welded up after removeing the bust diff ( o.h and it was well mashed ) couldnt be bothered getting a new one and DPG said it would not be a problem to weld from the inside as it was good clean metal ( quality of the metal was a bit naff typical Range Rover B/L metal ) :evil:
After DPG had welded up the pan i finnished it of on the outside with plenty of sealant over the welded bits, which has done the trick no leaks. The i put the rear prop back on, then put the rear halfshafts back in put fresh diff oil in and took it for a test drive up and down the yard at DPGs garrage. :D :D The replacement diff came from what we think is an early Disco Front Unit, we noticed there was hardly any ware and tare on the Crown or the Pinion and so whilst test driveing it there is no backlash in the rear what so ever :D BRILLIANT :D So heres a tip for you, if you need to replace either diff in your Classic Rangie or Early Disco use a Disco front diff as they seem to be a lot better for ware and tare etc, proberbly due because the Front diffs are not under as much pressure as the rears... :wink:
Anyway i gave it a wash fitted new C.B but as me and DPG were about to leave we noticed the front radious arm bushes have gone :evil: I only fitted new ones 6 months ago. :evil: Must have done it on Chapel Gate on Sunday, cheap and nasty spurious ones, :( didnt last long.
:roll: So my job for tomorrow is to get a set of new ones and fit them, and theres me looking forward to an easy day.... :lol:
:( I did take some pics of the Diff work. But ive deleted them by mistake trying to put them on my P.C :(
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nice one back on the road,right back to chapel gate and sort the lane out and we'll try it again.
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That cool 90 is a Series 2a
Which bit exactly? The steering wheel?
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That cool 90 is a Series 2a
Which bit exactly? The steering wheel?
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.that 90 you got looks smart is it a tdi?
Eerr, no, it's a bit like yours really. The chassis is 1997 300 tdi, the body panels are all from different vehicles, seats are ford, steering wheel from larkspeed, axles are range rover, the list goes on, the engine is the original TD. 180,000 miles and overdue a rebuild now!!!
Not sure at what point it stops being A 1990 90(or a 19whatever series 2) and starts being something else!! :lol:
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Depends who you tell I suppose :wink:
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Not sure at what point it stops being A 1990 90(or a 19whatever series 2) and starts being something else!! :lol:
Technically, a long time ago... Should be on a Q plate really.
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Mind you Karl, I think you should rename it Bertie, as in Bassets licqurice allsorts! :wink:
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Is that still true when parts have been replaced like for like?
Removes lid and runs away from worms.....
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Woah, you do like starting thing off dont you!
Like for like is broken engine replaced with same, or axle etc, I should imagine not, but the thing is with Land rover parts they are so interchangeable, and like you said could lead to a right can of worms
Grey area or what
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You swapped the chassis... and unless you did it with a genuine *new* part and have the receipts to prove it, then you ought to get it tested and a new plate issued.
The vast majority of "hybrid" vehicles are on technically illegal plates. Those who are claiming tax exemption have been coming under ever-increasing scrutiny just lately by the DVLA, and they don't take kindly to what they consider licence evasion.
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regrebil.htm
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You swapped the chassis...
No I never!
You'd do very well to prove it's not original too.
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Well, OK.. the chassis has been swapped.
I don't want to prove anything... I don't make the rules :?
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I don't want to prove anything... I don't make the rules :?
When I said you. I didn't mean you personally. Although you've more chance than most government inspectors I would have thought.
Just been reading through your link, typically government department complicated. :roll: Seems I've broken more laws in my time than I previously thought. Off to hide under the bed now.
Fail to see what the issue is providing you're not doing it for any gain, and it's registered to the right person, not stolen etc etc. Number plates a number plate to me.
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The Q plate is so that the Insurance companies can pick all of your pockets.
Ed
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That's about right.
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The Q plate has been around for a long time and it was to allow enthusiasts to register road legal vehicles which had been built from kits, etc.
It (theoretically at least) protects car buyers too, as they know the vehicle has been radically altered or rebuilt.
The insurance companies do tend to use it to hike premiums (what's new), which is daft really... the SVA is a far tougher test and the vehicle needs to be in much better condition.
I'd put good money that a high percentage of vehicles owned by MC members wouldn't pass it.
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There used to be a bloke living about 30 miles away from me who had a yard and about 20 series landies in there. Every month or so he would make a good one out of all of them and sell it and get some more breakers in and so forth.......
He got busted and spent 18 months inside.
An extremely grey area.
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I thought the DVLA points system would just about allow a chassis swap sans reregistering, however it's a fairly close call and swapping anything else (as well) is questionable.
At the end of the day the Q-Plate is used to determine vehicles of indeterminate age of manufacture, or other oddities. If you sufficiently modify a vehicle that it should be re-registered, then it has to be re-registered..
Addmitedly the insurance company will hike the price up, but then again they do that if you add spotlights, stickers, furry dice or drive it wearing an expensive coat.
If, God forbid you are in an accident and haven't kept to within the letter of the law, do you really believe the insurance company will say "well, technically he was driving an illigal vehicle, and it wasn't the one he insured, but it's a nice day and I've just had a lovely coconut ring biscuit.. let's pay out anyway" ?
Somehow I think not. You have to have insurance in this country, and that insurance *has* to be for the vehicle in question; by vehicle in question there is no grey area, being the same colour isn't good enough. If you are in any doubt, ring the DVLA and ask, they, curiously enough have catered for people changing chassis, engine etc...
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I thought the DVLA points system would just about allow a chassis swap sans reregistering,
Nope, sorry :-(
Specific mention is made to swapping chassis for anything other than a new replacement from the vehicle manufacturer.
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ahh... depends on "chassis swap"
sorry, wasn't really reading the thread :oops: I thought it was a "like for like", i.e. series chassis for a series chassis. Again I though that "manufacturer" was a little oddly defined, as in a designa chassis would suffice..
still, I might be wrong as I hadn't investigated the options to any great degree, i.e. sufficient to actually think about doing it.
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"A new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer/manufacturer (e.g. receipt)"
You need to be able to prove that the new chassis is made to LR specs and is new. Then you should be OK.
"If a second-hand chassis/monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a ESVA/SVA test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated."
So you can't do a chassis swap with a used chassis without an SVA.
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Or use the registration of the donor chassis...
which is deemed vaugely acceptible, as I read it..
But, then it wouldn't be tax exempt, which, unless it's a rangie with a funny body shell a coiled motor woulnd't be anyhow...
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I had a rangerover with a 90 body until last week. insured as a rangerover with a 90 body for 250 fully comp with Adrian flux.
On a Q plate naturaly.
I did phone Norich union direct HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA| HA
quote me happy HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha HE HE HEEE HA :(biggrin): :(biggrin): :(biggrin): :(biggrin):
DM :(bigsmoke):
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Yes you do find people like norwich union good for a laugh when you ask something like a landy, I had a toyota lite ace mpv a couple of years ago, it was an import, if i took their figure it would have been cheaper to drive around uninsured and no tax and accept the fines :?