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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: burgerman on February 02, 2010, 15:33:44
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Hi all, Im saving well for a superwinch with plasma ect, was just going to buy a suitable bumper to mount it on, But i probally only need a winch a handfull of times a year ( at the moment) So was wondering :-k How about one of those cradle winch mounts which operate from a towball/reciever, then i could use it either end of the truck,and tucked away inside keeping clean n safe inbetween our jollys, and can leave at home when going shopping/work ect,
Im guessing its a bit of a faf to set up rather than a fixed winch, but when i need it time shouldnt be an issue,
Anyone using this set up ?? or thoughts please,
Also as it uses anderson connectors i could make some jump leads up to use either end also :clap:
The more im thinking about it the more i like it :lol:
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How about one of those cradle winch mounts which operate from a towball/reciever,
What's your towball rated at ? 3500 kg's?
And what are anderson plugs rated at? being that a winch on full load can pull 450 amps.
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I know someone that has one for the reasons you state and trust when they say it has been suitable for their needs. I can probably give you his contact details if you want to email him questions (or find him on LRUK forum under member Dave.H)
One factor that might need some consideration is that these towball winch specifically designed for the job (opposed to normal winch bolted to a quick release mount) typically have a low load capacity (in comparison to normal winch rating that are common today). I guess this is to do with the limiting factors of physical size, weight of the unit so maintain is ease of fitting/removal and SWL of what they are actually attached to.
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Something like this?
http://www.ryderswinch.co.uk/default.asp?pgid=18&categ=78
I seriously thought about doing this, until I had a full winch bumper cheap!
The cradle from Ryders works well, the handles at each end are invaluable, and it will take any winch no problems (perhaps the big competition ones should be avoided?)
You can get anderson connecters big enough to cope with the draw, try http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/VWP-onlinestore/battconns/battconn.php#powerconn
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Something like this?
http://www.ryderswinch.co.uk/default.asp?pgid=18&categ=78
I seriously thought about doing this, until I had a full winch bumper cheap!
The cradle from Ryders works well, the handles at each end are invaluable, and it will take any winch no problems (perhaps the big competition ones should be avoided?)
You can get anderson connecters big enough to cope with the draw, try http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/VWP-onlinestore/battconns/battconn.php#powerconn
Those plugs are only rated at 175 amps :-.
Those cradles which go on the tow ball, what's the largest which they can take? Just thinking that on a tripple line pull with a couple of snatch blocks onto that very stuck truck, that tow ball is going to rip off. How many bolts hold a winch bumper on, how many a tow ball? Tow balls are also bolted in-line rather than side on, so the metal just needs to bend back and the bolts will rip through.
Those cradles look ace for launching boats though.
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Those plugs are only rated at 175 amps :-.
Oops, not the ones I wanted on there, you do get them rated much higher!
Those cradles which go on the tow ball, what's the largest which they can take? Just thinking that on a tripple line pull with a couple of snatch blocks onto that very stuck truck, that tow ball is going to rip off. How many bolts hold a winch bumper on, how many a tow ball? Tow balls are also bolted in-line rather than side on, so the metal just needs to bend back and the bolts will rip through.
The towball mount ones I wouldn't put a huge load on, I do have a 2000KG rated one that towball mounts and I reckon thats about as much as yoy would want on it! The cradles are different, they go into reciever hitches.
Those cradles look ace for launching boats though.
They work well in many situations and stay well away from thieving gits!
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why not have the cradle attatched to the front/back/side of your vehicle with 2 lengths of chain/tow strop? that way all you need is your recovery points front and rear?
ive used a similar method years ago in the army..worked well
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why not have the cradle attatched to the front/back/side of your vehicle with 2 lengths of chain/tow strop? that way all you need is your recovery points front and rear?
ive used a similar method years ago in the army..worked well
oooo it'll be half way to be coming a crane like that too :dance:
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Those Anderson plugs rated at 175 amps will be rated for continuous use, with no breaks to allow them to cool down. The reality is that electric recovery winches are only operated for relatively short periods of time, particularly at maximum load. The 35mm2 cables supplied with winches such as the Superwinch EP9 for example are only rated at around 250amps for continuous use. I would use the size of cable supplied with a winch as a guide, so although you could get away with a 175amp Anderson plug on an EP9 for light use I would try and get one with a capacity just over 250 amps to be sure that whatever you add isn't the weakest link.
350 amp seems to be the common size up from 175 amp for those style connectors, though according to Aderson's website the 175amp connectors can still handle 400 amps for around 20 seconds. I reckon I might have exceeded that before with my EP9, but it was doing sill stuff like winching into, through and out the other side of a bog hole rather than just recovery.
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Cheers for all the replies guys, I think ill go for a "normal" winch n bumper set up on the front end, Some good points made though, :)
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Cheers for all the replies guys, I think ill go for a "normal" winch n bumper set up on the front end, Some good points made though, :)
thought you had a tirfor anyway? stick with that with extension an cable and you got best setup for occasional use.
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Cheers for all the replies guys, I think ill go for a "normal" winch n bumper set up on the front end, Some good points made though, :)
thought you had a tirfor anyway? stick with that with extension an cable and you got best setup for occasional use.
:lol: and you get to cancel the gym membership whilst you at it :D
In seriousness though, I'd really like a tirfor in the boot along side an electric up front. would be a very useful combination.
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Cheers for all the replies guys, I think ill go for a "normal" winch n bumper set up on the front end, Some good points made though, :)
thought you had a tirfor anyway? stick with that with extension an cable and you got best setup for occasional use.
Yea still got a huge tifor, that l do for the back n sides, :lol: