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Title: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: boss on July 16, 2010, 21:54:56
iiiii liiiiiike  :D


http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/concept-vehicles/mercedes-benz-hexawheel-concept-design-study/


better put it into production
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: TEMPER593 on July 16, 2010, 23:14:33
You have some strange tastes boss!  [-o<  :D
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: Series 3 Brad on July 16, 2010, 23:30:53
It sounds nice and looks nice too.....but its just like taking a short wheelbase landy offroad with a trailer on(well thats what the gallery looks like)
Might just be my thinking but i think its pointless, it has six wheels whereas a land rover has four, which means it will be longer, it might be more agile thatn a 110 but not a 90.
It has all wheel drive, the six wheels all at once, land rovers also have all wheel drive....so there really isnt much difference apart from a twisty bit which might mean that you would win a twist off but other than that its completely useless in my eyes =)
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: stretchy on July 16, 2010, 23:41:44
if it gets stuck does it transform into something els lol
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: boss on July 17, 2010, 00:03:34
It sounds nice and looks nice too.....but its just like taking a short wheelbase landy offroad with a trailer on(well thats what the gallery looks like)
Might just be my thinking but i think its pointless, it has six wheels whereas a land rover has four, which means it will be longer, it might be more agile thatn a 110 but not a 90.
It has all wheel drive, the six wheels all at once, land rovers also have all wheel drive....so there really isnt much difference apart from a twisty bit which might mean that you would win a twist off but other than that its completely useless in my eyes =)




look at it from another angle, it has 6 wheels on the floor at all times providing more traction than a landrover, it has a turning circle of 5.5m which is good for a 6 wheeler and probibly not far off a 110 especially as it has a 156" (front to back, 2x 78" wheelbases) it will spread the weight more than a landrover, if your talking offroad and brake over angles it will beat the 90 as it has a 78" wheelbase which will go over what ever and then the second 78" wheelbase will "kick in" i dont think it articulates in the middle like you think, it goes left and righta and up and down not sure it ocelates so no good on a twist off
 from an engineering point of view it pisses all over the landrover with out being over complicated.



it would also annoy my naborgh too  :D
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: V8MoneyPit on July 17, 2010, 09:41:38
That looks brilliant! If they make two, I'm second in the queue behind Boss  :lol:
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: topless matt on July 17, 2010, 10:23:07
Well, im third in the que now then.......I WANT ONE  :D
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: trecfive on July 17, 2010, 15:27:42
A gama-goat with a merc badge.
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: MuddyMike on July 17, 2010, 15:42:35
I wonder if they have overcome the problem found with both the Gamma Goat and Land Rovers powered 101 trailer of the trailer pushing the tractor unit into a roll over in certain off road conditions.

Mike
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: Mud-muncher1 on July 17, 2010, 15:44:47
I wonder how long it'll be before the MoD uses them as i think the power assisted articulation would come in handy and to be honest something like that would really put the wind up some of the American rock crawling teams :P
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: jay2578 on July 18, 2010, 08:48:59
AWESOME!! But then so is the Gama Goat..... hmmm... which do i prefer? I think the Goat, just because i could get the kids, dogs, camping gear and all the other stuff that goes with taking 4 kids on a 1000 mile round trip and a bit of camping! Of course it`ll just be the disco for now seeing as we leave on friday!
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: Disco Matt on July 18, 2010, 15:34:58
I wonder if they have overcome the problem found with both the Gamma Goat and Land Rovers powered 101 trailer of the trailer pushing the tractor unit into a roll over in certain off road conditions.

Mike

I was just wondering the exact same thing. IIRC it affected the 109-based powered trailer prototypes too?

I suppose that you could do something clever with a tilt switch so it cuts off power to the trailer if the drawbar reaches a certain angle of yaw and the vehicle angle goes beyond safe limits.

Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: Llanigraham on July 18, 2010, 15:55:53
I suspect that because it is driven differently to those in the past, ie hydraulically, might make a big difference.
How do the 4x4 centre steer diggers and dumpers cope?
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: littlepow on July 18, 2010, 16:40:33
it looks like it uses the same trailer stabilty and steering system found on BV206.
Wondering if the trailler follows the vehicles tracks or has a different route when cornering???
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: V8MoneyPit on July 19, 2010, 17:48:58
With computer technology today, I'm sure the trailer 'pushing' issue is very easy to avoid. It's basically the same as computer controlled 4wd systems where they control drive to the back to balance a car rather than oversteering it. We were doing this at prototype level in the late eighties at Lotus with the Active programme.
Title: Re: do i want or do i NEED
Post by: topless matt on July 19, 2010, 21:52:50
looking at the diagrams, i would say thet the rear most set of wheels will not follow the fronts, in fact they will all follow differing lines when traveling round a corner because although it is articulated, it will be front wheel steer or maybe even 4 wheel steer but as the rear axle does not help with the steering, it is like a powered trailer.
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