Winching with a hi-lift

[gords]

I've heard (read?) that it's possible to use a hi-lift jack as a (probably very slow) winch.

What extra kit would you need and how exactly would you do it?

For example, what happens if you get to the extent of the jack travel and you still need to winch some more?

[Wanderer]

If my memory serves me right it's done with a chain. I've got a video of it somewhere. You have to winch, chock, release, winch, chock etc. etc....

Hard work to say the least.

Ed

[datalas]

whilst possible, it's dangerous an insanely hard work.

Usually it's the last thing you'd try before ringing the insurance company and declaring the motor stolen

[gords]

Usually it's the last thing you'd try before ringing the insurance company and declaring the motor stolen

Umm, OK :shock:  :lol:

So, what's the other manual winch type thing called? :?

[Wanderer]

Tirfors are the best manual ones. They'll pull a tree down.

Ed

[datalas]

again a tirfor has a specific role to play, usually when you've run out of other options...

why people get involved in "winch offs" is another matter, I have no particular desire to show my expertise (or otherwise) in that particular hand aciton...

The tirfor however does have an advantage over the highlift, it is at least designed as a hand winch and as such is very good as one.  The hi-lift generally isn't and whilst you could use it for winching, you could also use it as a golf club, it's not particularly suited as either...

[Wanderer]

So if you used a Hilift as a golf club it'd nearly be as much hard work as trying to use it as a winch.......

 :lol:




FFFFOOOOUUUURRRRR!

Ed

[gords]

Something like this?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7528292185

There are 3 ratings - 800kg, 1600kg and 3200Kg - would you need the 3200Kg to pull a Land Rover, or would any one do?

Obviously, a nice bumper mounted winch would be ideal - except if you were to ask the wife  Just like to know the options :)

[datalas]

yup, that's a tirforesque thing, the actual tirfor is more rounded, and more expensive.

remarkably usefull bit of kit, at times

however, bare in mind that you put a *lot* of strain on wire and recovery equipment during use, and that a "little small one" might not be up to the task (as the actress said to the bishop)  

Also bare in mind that the tirfors are blooming heavy too.. :?

[Wanderer]

That's a tirfor "TYPE" Gords.

Not worth taking a chance on a "copy".

Ed

[gords]

That's a tirfor "TYPE" Gords.

Not worth taking a chance on a "copy".

Ed

Ah, OK. So what sort of money would people expect to pay for the real thing?

[thermidorthelobster]

I got mine off a bloke on alt.fan.landrover for £30.  There are some real bargains to be had second hand if you're in the right place at the right time.

[gords]

I got mine off a bloke on alt.fan.landrover for £30.  There are some real bargains to be had second hand if you're in the right place at the right time.

Yes, well, I'm normally nowhere near the "right place" when bargains like that come along :roll:  Either that, or the "right time" was yesterday :roll:

[gords]

Changing the direction of this thread again, slightly ... what is the main purpose of hi-lift jacks? I know they "lift up high", but why is that good ... in 4x4 offroading terms?

[turtle]

I've heard (read?) that it's possible to use a hi-lift jack as a (probably very slow) winch.

Gords - yesterday I had first hand experiance of winching with a hi-lift, very slow and hard work, but it does work. I'll post some pics when I get five mins spare.

[Eeyore]

Highlifts don't lift the vehcile form underneath the axle, they lift them from the side, therefore if your wheels have got a lot of travel, you need a lotta jack.  This also means (in theory) you don't have to dig a jack in to lift the vehicle. There's nowt worse than having to crawl in the mud to pick up a Disco with it's ikkle jack because a highlift won't fit - foul job.

It has to be said that for either winching or lifting a highlift makes a powerfull enemy. Treat them with lots of respect and they will see you right.

HTH
Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[datalas]

well, again it depends on your point of view.

Should you get a puncture in the middle of a ploughed field when up to your axles the likelyhood of you getting the little bottle jack under it to change the tyre is quite slim (the fact that there are no jacking points on a standard disco will be overlooked for now)

Similarly it can be used to lift the vehicle up when it has sunk to put waffles underneath it (mmm waffles) or it could be used to put trailers on things when the jokeywheel has given up the ghost.. etc etc :D

[Eeyore]

mmmmmm waffles...... =P~

 
Eeyore

[rokcrawlin]

Tirfors are the best manual ones. They'll pull a tree down.

Ed

usually the only one near you that you are recovering off :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

[hobbit]

Highlifts don't lift the vehcile form underneath the axle, they lift them from the side, therefore if your wheels have got a lot of travel, you need a lotta jack.  This also means (in theory) you don't have to dig a jack in to lift the vehicle. There's nowt worse than having to crawl in the mud to pick up a Disco with it's ikkle jack because a highlift won't fit - foul job.

It has to be said that for either winching or lifting a highlift makes a powerfull enemy. Treat them with lots of respect and they will see you right.

HTH
Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

Actually I saw an item that at Driffield, could lift your wheel which attaches to a Hi lift jack. Its like 2 hooks on straps that attach to the wheel, raise the wheel, then chock under axle for a wheel change, or fill out the hole for freeing it from being stuck

Not seen them since, interesting item though

Kev

[turtle]

Here you go, self recovery using a HI-Lift jack..... hard work

More pics in my gallery HERE

[EvilEd]

I got a 5t Hand Puller off Ebay, single line pull of 2.5 ton....

Also have a Car transporter type rachet strap rated at 5t too.... That has proved useful a number of times, but only has a limited pull before filling the spool up.

Neither are a winch, but between them they should get me out of trouble. Plan is to use the winch to pull, and the rachet to hold as tight as possible so limited slip back when adjusting the winch.

[hingmy]

turtle - you manly heroic person you - vehicle powered winches are for girls eh? Have a choccy biccie (more use than a gold star).

Re: tirfor -v- "copies" : Black Rat gear is not too bad either.

[Eeyore]

Actually I saw an item that at Driffield, could lift your wheel which attaches to a Hi lift jack. Its like 2 hooks on straps that attach to the wheel, raise the wheel, then chock under axle for a wheel change, or fill out the hole for freeing it from being stuck

Not seen them since, interesting item though

Kev

They are great in theory but they can have a nasty habit of pulling the top of the jack into your bodywork when you least expect it!

I was warned off buying a set of hooks by a friend who has a nice 'v' gully in his rear tub!

cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[lowey]

Once bust a half shaft in a valley bottom where the only way out was up. As the vehicle was not level when it became immobile (not stuck)  as front wheel drive was totally ineffective at that position.

Needed to get SWB three vehicle lengths further on to flat ground.

Always carry ground anchor pins.

So the only way to get it to a piece of flat ground was to high lift winch it.
Using a special winching chain with shortening hooks. A couple of suitable shackles. 2 torpedo straps around the front spring hangers and a bridle strap pair. On the other end a tree strap. The Landie had to be ground anchored three times to stop it from slipping back when it had been pulled forward and upwards. the whole process took about 1 hour.

Then the diff had to be removed to get the broken spline end out and the replacement long half shaft inserted. The diff replaced followed by an EP90 fill up. All on a green lane. In the pouring rain.

Total time for entire task 4 hours.