Half price Diesel

[woody]

Ok now ive got your attention
i have been looking around for alternative fuels.  for those of you who have not seen this there has been a small discusion on the Mitsubishi forum http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=11331
they have been discussing vegatable oil as an alternative fuel (50/50 mix)
has anybody tried it :?:
i will be following this up with some links shortly :D

[woody]

here are the links as i said
there seems to be a lot of grey area concerning the rate of tax payable
but for a drive who has a large milage it ncould work out a lot cheaper
http://www.regional.org.au/au/gcirc/6/214.htm
http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/
http://www.pocuk.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=77&sid=6c2fa4bb0f766a11eb7c12f2fcfe2f20
http://www.ccorrn.org.uk/pdf/Biodiesel.pdf
http://www.dieselveg.com/conversion%20info.htm

[defuzz]

its definately something I want to try, my fear is damage to the engine though, I have yet to find a definitive "it will work in a 200tdi discovery" without modifications to fuel pumps etc

[woody]

well have a look at this
http://www.dieselveg.com/landrover_discovery.htm
it shows a conversion from diesel veg
good website :D

[Range Rover Blues]

As i understand it the fuel duty payable makes it unrealistic unless you are getting your oil for virtualy free.  Great is you own a chipshop :D

[Wanderer]

One company is selling the oil at 66p a litre (Collection only somewhere near Wolverhampton Handy for Bob?) with the duty and VAT paid.
So you should be able to get it down to at least that as they must be making a profit on it.
The higher the cost of Diesel the more viable it becomes.

http://www.dieselveg.com/conversion%20info.htm
About half way down the page.

Ed

[Range Rover Blues]

Why the hell the government isn't putting more into this I don't know.  Vegitable oils I understand do not have the same heavy emissions that fossile fuel oils do, although they smell like a chip-shop.  Some bus companies already use this stuff.

[muddyweb]

Why the hell the government isn't putting more into this I don't know.  

Yes you do... the same reason that we don't have widely available bio-diesel...  politics and money.

[woody]

As i understand it the fuel duty payable makes it unrealistic unless you are getting your oil for virtualy free.  Great is you own a chipshop :D

have a look at the dieselveg website
if you by from Morrisons, tesco, asda etc. @43pence per litre
pay the lower rate at 27ish +vat then it saves about 25ppltr
and thats worth it

[woody]

AND WHY DO YOU PAY VAT ON TAX :?  :?  :?  :?

[barmiebrumie]

hi, ive got a 3.8 perkins in my rangie, would that run on vegie mix :?:

thanks in advance  john.

[woody]

hi, ive got a 3.8 perkins in my rangie, would that run on vegie mix :?:

thanks in advance  john.

have a read through the websites at the top of this post
they seem to indicate that you can but read first to confirm

[mike tilley]

I occasionally run my 3.0lt hilux surf on a 50/50 diesel/veg oil mix....it runs fine and if anything, a little smoother. I get 20ltr cans of the stuff from costco which works out about 43p per ltr. :)

[datalas]

Again I would like to point out that whilst vegetable oil can be used as fuel for diesel vehicles, it can only be used when the correct duty has been paid upo it.

I'm not making any allegations that anyone isn't doing that, just wanted to make it perfectly clear that not paying duty is illigal and that such actions are not endorsed in any way :)

[TUFFTEE]

I went to Tesco's yesterday and noticed the diesel is now at 98.9 p per litre! thats a jump of 3p in three days! Disgusting is'nt it?

[muddyweb]

The barrel price is still at the highest ever due to the effects of hurricane Katrina, that is the reason behind the increases now.

Sadly, I have no doubt they won't go back down when the production / processing facilities are back online...  *that* is the bad thing :-(

[Bob696]

One company is selling the oil at 66p a litre (Collection only somewhere near Wolverhampton Handy for Bob?) with the duty and VAT paid.

Cheers Ed

Guess where I am going tomorrow  :lol:

[Wanderer]

One company is selling the oil at 66p a litre (Collection only somewhere near Wolverhampton Handy for Bob?) with the duty and VAT paid.

Cheers Ed

Guess where I am going tomorrow  :lol:

You could have done with some of that for your jaunt around Scotland. I bet you got through some fuel.

Ed

[Bob696]

You could have done with some of that for your jaunt around Scotland. I bet you got through some fuel.

We did that in the 110 (V8 ). The 2 weeks including the trip upto langdale cost us around £330  :roll:

[LOFTY]

Where will be first, £1.00 a litre, our local is £0.99.9 per litre.
I can actual remember when it went to a £1 per gallon, about 30 years ago,
and my mother moaning like hell about that.

[philbert]

:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Fitted a twin tank system to my def 90 last month.Only start up on diesel now the rest of the time i switch over to veg oil.Ah the great smell of cheap fuel. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Xtremeteam]

i think we need to have a chat phil & let me have a look round your setup as ive just fitted my tdi into my 90,also just finished rewiring it after the fire

[ian_s]

i've heard of people doing this on boats
just about any old fashioned diesel will run on a 50/50 mix (i.e. not a common rail injection engine)
in fact, it will run on pure veg oil.
BUT the problem comes when you switch the engine off.
as the veg oil cools, it gets thicker, and this can gunge up fuel pumps, making them impossible to start again.

one conversion i have seen starts teh engine on diesel, then, once up to running temperature switches over to 100% oil. then 5 minutes before you stop, you switch it back to diesel. which is all well and good, until you forget one day and then have to get the pump overhauled, which is uber expensive.
for me, who is incredibly forgetful, its just not worth the risk.

having said all of that, my dad runs 30% veg oil in his M reg vauxhall astra, and has done for a while with no problems

[woody]

the problem comes when you switch the engine off.
as the veg oil cools, it gets thicker, and this can gunge up fuel pumps, making them impossible to start again.

one conversion i have seen starts teh engine on diesel, then, once up to running temperature switches over to 100% oil. then 5 minutes before you stop, you switch it back to diesel.

yeh
the system only costs about £65 with an alarm to remind you to switch
see link http://www.dieselveg.com/quick_purge.htm

[fesuvious]

So, let me get this right, I could have say 3/4 tank of diesel and then put regular veggie oil in to top it up ?

As in, normal veggie oil from say Makro or any other trade warehouse ?

And this would work on a HGV too ?

[Eeyore]

So, let me get this right, I could have say 3/4 tank of diesel and then put regular veggie oil in to top it up ?

As in, normal veggie oil from say Makro or any other trade warehouse ?

And this would work on a HGV too ?

Don't forget to pay the required fuel duty fund on top!

cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[muddyweb]

Indeed... and don't forget... the burden of proof is with YOU to prove that you have paid duty, rather than with them to prove you haven't.

[kev]

i run my little citroen ax diesel on cooking oil and i find if i use about a tenner in diesel and the rest in oil its fine(normally £35 to fill it) and ive just started doing the same on my series 2a but it does have a 2.5 diesel transit engine.

[fesuvious]

Just spoke to the guys at dieselveg.

They recommend their kit so as to provide a way of switching between the 2 (just like a lpg system).

They do not recommend actually running a diesel on veg oil. They dont recommend using a 50/50 split.

However they were cagey about what percentage mix you COULD use.....

Is a 10% or 20% mix going to thin it down enuff ?

Apparantly the veg oil needs to be above 70 degrees to burn properly and below that will form thick globules that can stick inside bores or injectors etc.

Whats the mathematics behind thinning it down or behind the actual mix percentage required to just start putting oil in with the diesel ?

[kev]

of corse they will say that or they wont be able to sell their kit.