Driving whilst banned

[Dirty Gertie]

There's a heated discussion going on elsewhere, sparked by this issue; your comments please.

[gords]

One can only assume that a ban is imposed for a very good reason!?

[Dirty Gertie]

:)  well, yes, and in this case it was excess alcohol.

[gords]

:)  well, yes, and in this case it was excess alcohol.

So, what's the "discussion" about then?

[Bob696]

Caught driving whilst banned = cant be trusted = gaoled for rest of ban

[denviks]

just voted. if i had been banned for doing something silly like dd then im affraid i wouldnt be behind the wheel on public roads. its not yourself you have to worry about. its the idiots that jump out in front of you. so no insurance as banned so no go  

[Jake]

I voted no driving.
But, i'd like to point out that on private land it is ok.
Drive all the mud you like.
Ps
Sorry about your ban.
 :(

[jiffyman]

Don't actually thikn its their ban from what i can make out, but i am damn tired so might be wrong! :oops:

[Spacemud]

I wouldn't drive after drinking excess alcohol anyway but, if I was banned and found myself in a situation that was life threatening for someone where I was the only one who could drive, then yes, I would drive and face the consequences. I might just have help save someones life.

[Dirty Gertie]

:)  well, yes, and in this case it was excess alcohol.

So, what's the "discussion" about then?

Well, it began on a speeding conviction, but has digressed somewhat, as these things have a tendency of doing....http://threads.lro.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=forum&Number=718336&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part=all


BTW, I've not been banned, I'm just interested in peeps opinions, personally, I think if you do the crime, you do the time! Simple!!

[K9Jim]

most accidents are caused by people driving blindly, not seeing where they are going and aware of what is going on around them and most of those are below 30mph.
if your banned your banned. if your driving whilst banned with no insurance and accidently hit a child,, well doesn't bare thinking about does it :?:

[gords]

Well, it began on a speeding conviction, but has digressed somewhat, as these things have a tendency of doing....http://threads.lro.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=forum&Number=718336&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part=all

Jeez ... not a nice place over there :shock:

[datalas]

Jeez ... not a nice place over there :shock:

Why do you think I stay here ?

It might seem like the moderation on mud-club is a little heavy handed at times, but you can probably sense why :)

[Sharpshooter]

As has been said before. If you do the crime, you do the time. I cant believe that anyone has said, in an Emergency. If you not taxed and insured, and in this instance, dont even have a license, then get off the road. How would you feel, if they ploughed into your pride and joy, with no chance of it being replaced.

A freind of mine has his 2 yr old car written off by a drunk driver, and the driver was found at the wheel by the police. He had to claim on his own insurance, because the police said there wasnt enough evidence to convict him ????????

[Bulli]

Looks like the thread has been pulled.
What can I say? If you are banned for any reason, you are banned- end of story. No circumstances justify you driving and i feel you should not be allowed to drive on private land either. If its your own land(yeah right) and noone else is there then who could object?but i guess what is meant by that is driving on playdays- sorry no, a banned driver should not drive on playdays. what is there is an accident? Most play day venues have families there, it aint worth thinking about.
Im not a do gooder, i have ridden my bike at speeds that would have had me banned but that was my choice in remote places and if i had been caught and banned I would have not been riding.

[Merlin]

Even in an "extreme emergency" you will have NO insurance cover so a bit rough for the poor succer you hit & any involved peoples family's.  Should be a definate NO NO in my opinion--Cogs

[Sheddy]

Well, it began on a speeding conviction, but has digressed somewhat, as these things have a tendency of doing....http://threads.lro.com>>>>>>

Jeez ... not a nice place over there :shock:

Thats why I dont go there anymore .... the moderation is biased to say the least

[thermidorthelobster]

I chose "extreme emergency" - I'd rather be driven to hospital with a ruptured appendix by a banned driver, than wait for an ambulance.  But I'd say it should be pretty much a life-or-death situation, not somebody about to miss a flight!

And even though the insurance is theoretically automatically void in this case, IIRC in the few cases when this has arisen the insurers have assessed on individual merits.

[dracula]

I chose "extreme emergency" - I'd rather be driven to hospital with a ruptured appendix by a banned driver, than wait for an ambulance.  But I'd say it should be pretty much a life-or-death situation, not somebody about to miss a flight!.

Would you really put your life in the hands of a banned driver, with no medical training, no equipment on board and un marked vehicle rather than a fully trained , fully equipped N.H.S. paramedic/ med practitioner?

Okay, I know I'm biased towards N.H.S. but to trust your life to some
one as irresposible as a drink driver is , in my opinion, not an option.

[thermidorthelobster]

Well, that depends on how long you'd have to wait.  If both vehicles were there with the engines revving, I'd opt for the ambulance.  But I'm currently in a fairly remote village in Devon, and I'd say it would take at least 20 minutes to get an ambulance here, so I might take my chances.

With a banned driver you are at least talking about somebody who knows how to drive and has passed a test.  They may even be an exemplary driver, when they're not getting drunk.

[Wanderer]

Well, it began on a speeding conviction, but has digressed somewhat, as these things have a tendency of doing....http://threads.lro.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=forum&Number=718336&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part=all

Jeez ... not a nice place over there :shock:

Which is part and parcel of what makes MC what it is. Our Mods very rarely need to step in and members playing by the "rules" make it a nice place to be.

I can't think of any other fora where flame wars aren't a daily occurence.
I don't think we've even got near a flame war in the two and a half years we've been running.

Not so much to do with the Admin and Moderators but the members.

[dracula]

Well, that depends on how long you'd have to wait.  If both vehicles were there with the engines revving, I'd opt for the ambulance.  But I'm currently in a fairly remote village in Devon, and I'd say it would take at least 20 minutes to get an ambulance here, so I might take my chances.

If you're in Devon, and it's that remote, chances are they would send one of the Air Ambulances

[Budgie]

For me I feel that if you're banned then you're banned.
If you're caught driving while banned then you should get a ban for life as you've demonstrated you have no respect for the laws of the road or the other people who use them, so why should be given the privilage back?
Get caught a second time and lock 'em up as they are a danger to public!

With regards to drink driving:
0% blood/alchohol limit on the roads, that way everyone knows the limit they can drink too and still pass the test and be safe to drive!

[Sider]

For me I feel that if you're banned then you're banned.
If you're caught driving while banned then you should get a ban for life as you've demonstrated you have no respect for the laws of the road or the other people who use them, so why should be given the privilage back?
Get caught a second time and lock 'em up as they are a danger to public!

With regards to drink driving:
0% blood/alchohol limit on the roads, that way everyone knows the limit they can drink too and still pass the test and be safe to drive!

I thought I was the only idiot who thought like that.

A driving license is not a fundamental human right, it is a privilege, and it should be considered as such. If you drive while banned, you should be sent to prison, full stop. It is not a case of wether it should be acceptable or not. It is against the law, and it is against common sense.

Oh, and regarding that argument "they could have been fine drivers before being disqualified" and such, my reply is short and concise:  "MANURE!!!!" (read it as you like).

[Hightower]

I have to say, if you're banned, you're banned.  End of.

But, if I were in that situation (for whatever reason) and my daughter or wife needed urgent medical attention there would be nothing that anybody could do to stop me getting behind the wheel of a car in order to drive them to it.

[thermidorthelobster]

Oh, and regarding that argument "they could have been fine drivers before being disqualified" and such, my reply is short and concise:  "MANURE!!!!" (read it as you like).

I think you're referring to my post, and if so, then you misunderstood what I said.

In the context of a banned driver driving somebody to hospital in the event of a dire emergency, it's wrong to assume that because they are banned, they're a lousy driver.  I imagine as many good drivers get banned as lousy drivers, if they're banned for driving whilst drunk, for example.  I make no criticism of the fact that people are banned;  I'm wholeheartedly behind the idea.  But at the same time, if I were being rushed to hospital on death's door by a banned driver, I think it's a fallacy to assume they were necessarily also a bad driver.

[Damonski]

But at the same time, if I were being rushed to hospital on death's door by a banned driver, I think it's a fallacy to assume they were necessarily also a bad driver.

Except I wouldnt be very happy if your "banned driver" then crashed into me injuring me and my family, or even our lives. As they wouldnt have any suitable cover and I would be in a biggest pile of doggy doo.

If you banned, your banned, if you drive whilst banned, you need your hands cutting off.  It is not worth the risk to any other member of the public.  And people should think about that first before they commit the crime to get banned in the first place.

Quite simply. If your driving, do not drink "anything" alcoholic.

[Sider]

I wasn't making reference to your post, Thermidor. That's the excuse I got from a chap in my company caught driving while disqualified.

He should not be banned because he is a good driver. The fact that he persistently tailgated other cars until he did it with an unmarked police car that stopped him and breathalized him did not make him a bad driver in any way.

I was just ranting. And I would be the first to rush to the car even if disqualified, if my wife or little girl needed emergency treatment. But if I got caught, I would have no one but myself to blame.

[thermidorthelobster]

Except I wouldnt be very happy if your "banned driver" then crashed into me injuring me and my family, or even our lives. As they wouldnt have any suitable cover and I would be in a biggest pile of doggy doo.

At the risk of repeating myself (see above), this isn't necessarily the case regarding insurance, although I do take your point.

If I were hit and injured by a driver, the biggest concern would be what happened to me, not whether they were insured or not.  A friend of mine was seriously injured by a normal driver, and it's screwed up his life, regardless of the fact that the other driver was fully insured, because although he lost his job and his house, he's not seen any compensation, and this happened 4 years ago.  The insurance seems very much secondary to the nature of the event, to me.

[thermidorthelobster]

I wasn't making reference to your post, Thermidor.

Oh - sorry!

But if I got caught, I would have no one but myself to blame.

Totally agree.  Like you, I don't see it as an excuse, but I can see circumstances where it would appear to be the lesser of two evils.

Without wanting this debate to get out of hand - let's say somebody is out laning with a friend, whose vehicle he's not insured to drive (not all policies cover you third-party on other vehicles).  The friend has a severe allergic reaction to a bee sting and needs a tracheotomy / adrenaline / antihistamines otherwise they may well die, and they are out of mobile reception.

Should this person drive the vehicle illegally and without insurance, and risk the consequences, or should they run several miles to try to get mobile reception, by which time the friend may be dead?  I know which I'd do, in those circumstances.