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« on: December 29, 2005, 01:06:31 »
Na then Lads.  Is it possible to get a 'SAT' or a similar style tyre in 235/85 as I love the tread pattern (offroad only) but don't want tiny little 7.50's. on my Truck.  Also for the trials Guys is the diamond or SAT better in the mud?  I am told the SAT is better but also have noticed how common the diamond is.
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2005, 11:58:31 »
235/85 and 7.50 are the same height, only difference is the width
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2005, 12:05:50 »
SAT's!!!!!

Blimey there's a blast from the past.
 :shock:  :shock:
Once upon a time they were the only tyre to have (bar perhaps, XCL's)

Still look the biz

Not too sure on a 235/85 size?, you'll have to ask Simmonites & such like
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2005, 18:40:44 »
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235/85 and 7.50 are the same height, only difference is the width


Heard that before but put a 7.50 to the side of my 235/85 and they are noticably shorter and narrower.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2005, 18:43:05 »
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SAT's!!!!!

Blimey there's a blast from the past.
 :shock:  :shock:
Once upon a time they were the only tyre to have (bar perhaps, XCL's)

Still look the biz

Not too sure on a 235/85 size?, you'll have to ask Simmonites & such like


My uncle runs XCL but rates the SAT over it in the Mud.  Maybe i'll ring Simmonites, they are generally rip off merchants though (my opinion only).
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2005, 18:43:09 »
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Heard that before but put a 7.50 to the side of my 235/85 and they are noticably shorter and narrower.


That depends on the actual tyres...  you can put two 235s next to each other and one be taller than the other.  The size only refers to the carcass and doesn't take into account differences in the tread patterns, etc.  ;-)
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005, 18:52:12 »
Ive got a set of SAT's somewhere downstairs on 110 rims but im hanging onto them for pay n play days hehe :D
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2005, 19:04:37 »
Anybody ever seen a Deestone tyre?  Apparently it is similar to a SAT and available in 235 but can't find any info or piccys or anyone that sells them.

Ta in advance :D .
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2005, 20:29:54 »
ive got a set of eb firestone SAT, their about half inch to about an inch smaller then my 31's
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2005, 23:03:28 »
I've got 2 for sale on Range Rover steel rims if anybody wants them ?

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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2005, 23:47:46 »
Jim, get a propper tyre. Things have moved on from the sat's. Like morris marinas they arent good and only seemed to be ok because there wasnt an alternative.......nomex suit at the ready!
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2005, 00:14:07 »
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Jim, get a propper tyre. Things have moved on from the sat's. Like morris marinas they arent good and only seemed to be ok because there wasnt an alternative.......nomex suit at the ready!


Like what tho.  I cant afford BFG.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2005, 00:25:13 »
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Anybody ever seen a Deestone tyre?  Apparently it is similar to a SAT and available in 235 but can't find any info or piccys or anyone that sells them.

Ta in advance :D .


http://www.deestone.com/index.html

Made in Thailand

only links I've found so far over here are for scooter tyres  :shock:


which could be a little small for your needs  :wink:
What about Colway's

http://www.sowdentyres.co.uk/cheap-4x4-tyres.html

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2005, 00:44:29 »
I just want a offroad set so colway too road biased.  I looked at Greenway and nearly ordered some but ran out of money.  Then someone told me nowt is better in mud than a SAT.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2005, 06:57:07 »
Deestone do an off road tyre that looks the part but I believe that it's not terribly effectice. I think that it's too stiff or something and is aimed at farmers as it's hard wearing. My village garage certainly used to sell and fit them.

As for SAT that's what I wanted 5 years ago but I couldn't get them so bought SAG instead. Remarkably good tyres but I suppose things have moved on although are the Machos say that much better than a SAT which is the real comparison as they are both on and off road tyres. Grizzly claws and their ilk are really off road only.

I bought 750 diamond tyres for the 90 and so far have been impressed off roaf and sometimes terrified on road.

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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2005, 10:39:29 »
Who is it that does the 'Mud-Plugga'?, a SAT copy but ona radial casing.
I think it's a Welsh company??
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2005, 12:08:40 »
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I just want a offroad set so colway too road biased.  I looked at Greenway and nearly ordered some but ran out of money.  Then someone told me nowt is better in mud than a SAT.


OK, I've only had Nivas but my first one had SATs, which were vey good and my 2nd has Technic Trackers which is basically the same as the COLWAY M/Ts
My 3rd Niva had a set of THE ALIGATORS which were at the time rated at 30mph and got through MOTs etc and were absolutely UNSTOPPABLE! The only thing was that if they got bogged down they would grip into the mud so well that the Niva engine didnt have enough grunt to pull them out!! :lol: If I was going to have an off-roadf only set of tyres, then I'd probably go for those again.

Got the Colway Diamond Tread ones now and they seem quite capable though!
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2005, 12:15:28 »
We've got some Greenway Macho's on our rangie and they are fairly unstoppable in mud :)

And they're cheap  :D

Available from sowden tyres.
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2005, 12:23:05 »
hey jim my mate has anaconda frm greenway and they do an excellent job off road and they are a good price as long as u go for the the most common sizes good luck with ya choice
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2005, 14:47:37 »
I always understood that SAT tyres were the best at the time. The copies were good but that there was something about the compound and carcas that the copies couldn't manage. I think Simmonites amongst others do Mud Pluggas.

If we are talking about which tyre to get then we'll have a long thread!

I've had Machos on a RRC and they were great better than the SAG's I had on before apart from climbing out of ruts which the SAG's did very well. I can't say that the Machos were that good in mud, they were Ok but they were good on road. Grizzly Claws seemed better in mud.

As I said I now run diamonds (Greenway Atacama as I recall) on the 90 and they are very good so far but only used in anger 3 times. Not so geat on road, in fact I'm looking for a very cheap set of road wheels and tyres.

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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2005, 20:16:12 »
Well i havnt had time to get to a trial for ages so i arent sure what they all run so havnt seen any of the real aggressive stuff in action. I am told RTV use mainly Diamond or SAT style so want to know from any trialers which seems best???

I think Diamiond is what im gono go with but any experience would be gratefully accepted.

Thing is though the SAT holds a magical quality for me as a boy me and my uncle went offroading in a mint 50s S1 on SAT's and i love the look but 7.50 is too small.
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2005, 20:43:49 »
I trial most of the time and I'd say it depends how 'serious' you are.

One club would be mainly diamonds as they use their vehicles mainly off road. The other club members use less aggressive tyres like Machos a lot. You get some BFG, some claws.

I haven't seen anyone use SAT for ages and generally those that turn up with 'older' style tyres replace them. I was unusual in using my SAG tyres for quite a time but they worked well on the series and well enough on the RR.

Hardly anyone I know who trails a LR would go over 750 size as you start to lose turning circle and in trials that's very important. Same with fat tyres like 265 75, you start to lose turning circle.

Also taller tyres will raise the centre of gravity so you get all wibbly wobbly on side slopes which no-one enjoys! 750 seems a very good compromise size to me.

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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2005, 14:25:59 »
i run 750 sats on the road 90 <spit> & on the racer (same set just swap them round) & there are times where they have been not as good as the diamonds but there is other times where its been the better tyre,any how ive bought a set o 205 diamonds to run along side the 750's so i have a choice depending on the terrain im trialing/racing on,

BUT i have noticed that im in the minority using the 750's for trials as almost all the bowlers etc  are running 235/70/16's which are a fair bit smaller than the 750's  :wink:
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2005, 15:22:51 »
I dont trial i just figure if a tyre is OK for RTV then it is good enough for me.  I think i will stick to the original plan and get 235/85 Diamonds.

Ta for your help :)
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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2005, 16:11:59 »
Hmm, Bowlers never seem the ideal trails machine to me. They seem rather big and not as nimble as a 90 say. Lovely motors but I'd rather trial a 90 and sad to say if I wanted to win a Suzuki!

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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2005, 16:45:03 »
bowlers are a lot more nimble than a 90 for deffo considerin they weigh 600KG less at least  :shock: theres a few climbs we do & a bowler goes up no probs & i struggle with a 90 just cos o the few extra pounds lol
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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2005, 20:56:42 »
But I thought that they were 100 inch wheel base? Am I getting muddled with some other motor? I'm sure I've seen them trial and as you say they can climb but they don't turn so well. That said anything RR like is very stable and the longer wheelbase can help. By and large though I find the 90 gets round courses better than the bobtailed RR simply due to a shorter wheelbase.

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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2005, 21:06:20 »
sorry i seem to have confused you slightly,the bowler's im referring to is the 88 inch tomcats not the 100 wildcats  :?
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« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2005, 21:09:50 »
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« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2005, 21:10:27 »
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