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« on: January 04, 2006, 10:21:22 »
Now then,

Copied below is a snippet, lifted verbatim from a respected industry news website ( http://just-auto.com ). I'm passing no judgement on the news it contains, because the research, to my knowledge, has yet to be replicated in the UK.

So, how long do we reakon before this research gets touted by the British antis. Start your watches........

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USA: Study finds SUVs no safer than cars for children
03 Jan 2006
Source: just-auto.com editorial team
   
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New research in the United States shows that children riding in SUVs have similar injury risks to children who ride in passenger cars.

The latest study, published by The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia in the journal Pediatrics on Tuesday (3 January), found that an SUV's increased risk of rolling over during a crash offset the safety benefits associated with larger, heavier-weight vehicles.

The study, part of an on-going research collaboration of Children's Hospital and State Farm Insurance, looked at crashes reported to State Farm involving 3,933 child occupants between the ages of 0 and 15 years who were in SUVs or passenger cars from model year 1998 onwards.

Rollover contributes significantly to risk of injury in both vehicle types and occurred twice as frequently in SUVs. Children involved in rollover crashes were three times more likely to be injured than children in non-rollovers.

Children who were not properly restrained in a car seat, booster seat or seatbelt during an SUV rollover were at a 25-fold greater risk for injury as compared to appropriately restrained children. Nearly half of the unrestrained children in these crashes (41%) suffered a serious injury compared with only 3% of appropriately restrained children in SUVs. Overall, injury risk for appropriately restrained children in passenger cars is less than 2%.

"SUVs are becoming more popular as family vehicles because they can accommodate multiple child safety seats and their larger size may lead parents to believe SUVs are safer than passenger cars," said study co-author Dennis Durbin. "However, people who use an SUV as their family vehicle should know that SUV's do not provide superior protection for child occupants and that age- and size-appropriate restraints and rear seating for children under 13 years are critically important because of the increased risk of a rollover crash."

In a 2005 report, Children's Hospital said that SUVs in child-involved State Farm crashes increased from 15% in 1999 to 26% in 2004, while the percentage of passenger cars decreased from a high of 54% in 1999 to 43% in 2004. There was no or little growth in the percentage of minivans in the study population - 24% in 2004.

"Ideally, a safe family car has enough rear-row seating positions with lap-and-shoulder belts for every child under 13 that requires them and enough remaining rear-row positions to install child safety seats for infants and toddlers," noted study co-author Lauren Daly.

Previous research by the hospital has shown that, within each vehicle classification, larger heavier vehicles are generally safer.

Of all passenger car classifications, large and luxury cars feature lower child injury risk than mid-size or small passenger cars. Among SUVs, mid-size and small SUVs had similar injury risks, which were two times higher than large SUVs.

However, compact extended-cab pickup trucks present a unique risk to children- child occupants in the rear row of compact extended cab pick-ups face a five- fold increased risk of injury in a crash as compared to rear-seated children in all other vehicle types.
 


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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2006, 10:23:45 »
Surely the rolling over bit would infer some speed is involved.....

Most Urban 4x4's are for the school run where they will struggle to get any speed (well at least they all slow me up on my way to work  :evil: ).

I can see the general point though  :cry:
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2006, 10:42:37 »
It's already being misinterpreted as applying to the significantly different 4x4 vehicles used in this country, on Radio 2.

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2006, 10:58:45 »
But as with all statistics, they're no good unless in context.

Yes, injuries may have gone up by 11% (from 15 to 26%), but how many more SUV's are now on the road in the US? If the number of SUV's has trebled, then this is actually a proportional decrease isn't it?

As ever, the facts and figures will be twisted to suit the needs of those that need them to futher the truth, or muddy the waters.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2006, 11:31:45 »
Quote from: "Wolfie"
It's already being misinterpreted as applying to the significantly different 4x4 vehicles used in this country, on Radio 2.


Did I post it before they did?

As has been pointed out, the US data is statistically meaningless in this country for a whole gammut of reason. Bigger trucks, more of them (even comparitively), less stable rides (softer sprung), higher mass etc etc, and differing level of safety standards. It all contributes to make this research fascinating readin' but fundamentally invalid to the UK. As is much of the data vomited forth by our beloved Anti groups.

Still, no surprises there, then........... :roll:

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2006, 11:48:14 »
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Did I post it before they did?

No I think that they were wittering on about it before you posted, as I had done a quick google to see if I could find some info about it.

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As has been pointed out, the US data is statistically meaningless in this country for a whole gammut of reason.

And how significant is such a small sample <4000 incidents?
And where is the confidence factor for the results?
And does the report compare like for like? It seems to read that there is a 3% risk of injury in a SUV rollover compared to a 2% risk in ALL passencer car accidents.
The report seems to put little emphasis on the important result, that a passengers need to be properly restrained.

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Bigger trucks,

I wonder if we'll see that Disco next week, looking tiny in the car park outside Sam's? Incidentally 19cm in last 24h, giving alpine base of 149.

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It all contributes to make this research fascinating readin' but fundamentally invalid to the UK. As is much of the data vomited forth by our beloved Anti groups.

I'll agree with that.

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2006, 12:12:15 »
Quote from: "Wolfie"

No I think that they were wittering on about it before you posted, as I had done a quick google to see if I could find some info about it.


Awww, nuts.  :P

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And where is the confidence factor for the results?
And does the report compare like for like? It seems to read that there is a 3% risk of injury in a SUV rollover compared to a 2% risk in ALL passencer car accidents.

Hopefully the full report contains a little more in the way of background and hard data, as opposed to JAs quick'n'dirty synopsis. But. I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it. Chances are our Antis have only read an even less informed synopsis themselves......

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The report seems to put little emphasis on the important result, that a passengers need to be properly restrained.

Jayz, yeah! Half the States have only just made the wearing of seatbelts mandatory!

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2006, 12:58:31 »
Just as well I've ordered my new kid-carrier then.


SUV's offer no more safety in an accident than any other car.  There are so many variables to take into account between weights, speed, angle and vehicles involved, there is no conclusive way to say this car is safer than another in all situations.

It's all about the driver (of all vehicles involved).

The Renault Laguna I'm thinking of getting later this year to take the role of "family car" has more toy's than Santa on the 24th of December, and in terms of safety beat's my 1998 Disco in every department.  I know which one I'd sooner take my chances in though.

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2006, 13:03:42 »
Err with rolling vehicles, are not a lot of american vehicles wider than the european ones?
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2006, 13:13:43 »
Quote from: "Eeyore"
Now then,

Copied below is a snippet, lifted verbatim from a respected industry news website ( http://just-auto.com ). I'm passing no judgement on the news it contains, because the research, to my knowledge, has yet to be replicated in the UK.

So, how long do we reakon before this research gets touted by the British antis. Start your watches........

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If you are interested all the 2004 US accident data (we're still waiting for 2005 report) is here:

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSFAnn/TSF2004EE.pdf

Trawl through to about page 65 where accidents are broken down by vehicle type and you could probably find something to demonstrate 4x4's are safer to be in than small passenger vehicles in a crash. In fact I think some US pro 4x4 groups did it already.
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2006, 13:35:21 »
Nice one LJ!  :wink:

I'll be taking a long hard look at that one!

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2006, 15:24:25 »
Plain and simply put "I dont care" ive been in a few scuffs in a ordinary car
 and ive seen benders that have involved "s.u.v's" and i know where id
 rather my kith and kin be.So in the best of british tradition SOD OFF :lol:
yer better not naff this up an come back to these shores or god help me yer auld aunt nelly will jump out of her grave an like as not kick yer teeth in......

 






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