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« on: January 11, 2006, 16:49:14 »
From The Free Dictionary:
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Irony is a form of expression in which an implicit meaning is concealed or contradicted by the explicit meaning of the expression. Irony involves the perception that things are not what they are said to be or what they seem.


Umm, clear as mud :?

Read on through the explanations and examples - nope, doesn't help :roll:

So, anyone care to take on the challenge of explaining irony to me?
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2006, 16:54:22 »
A clever version of sarcasm.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2006, 16:59:08 »
Something to do with clothes and an irony board?  :(biglaugh):
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2006, 16:59:57 »
Quote from: "Jake"
A clever version of sarcasm.

Umm, read the section titled "Irony and sarcasm" on the link I gave. :?
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2006, 17:05:26 »
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An example of irony without sarcasm would be an understated "not bad", said to someone who has just done something extraordinary and impressive. Both the speaker and the listener hear the literal meaning of "acceptable, but no better", and understand the intended meaning, of strong approval and admiration. They share a perception of irony.


I've been known to do this regarding tough questions at home.
i.e - does this outfit look nice?. Or, How was dinner?
To which i usually reply "yeah, not bad"
I always wonder why i get a funny (nasty) look!!
Maybe i should be more careful with my words.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2006, 17:15:50 »
This Quote is from the Concise Edition Dictionary

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An expression in which the intended meaning of the words is the opposite of their usual sense, An event or result that is the opposite of what is expected.


Is that any clearer?
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2006, 17:18:41 »
Quote from the Thesaurus

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Other words that mean the same thing are, Mockery, Raillery, Ridicule, Sarcasm and Satire


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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2006, 17:22:16 »
I thought it was only Americans that didnt understand the meaning of irony...
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2006, 17:39:35 »
It's a bit ironic that you can't understand the explanation of the word.   :D
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2006, 17:47:33 »
Irony is something that happends at Sunderland FC every week!!!
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2006, 18:16:53 »
OK (trying to keep this mildly serious :wink: ), can anyone quote an example of irony and explain why it's ironic...
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2006, 18:27:23 »
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OK (trying to keep this mildly serious :wink: ), can anyone quote an example of irony and explain why it's ironic...


Ten Thousand spoons when all you need is a knife ....

Although, since that song contains no examples of irony, it is quite ironic in itself.  

Of course "raiiiiin on your wedding day" is only ironic if you're marrying the god of clement weather.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2006, 20:14:28 »
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Irony is something that happends at Sunderland FC every week!!!


don't you mean stupidity



or are you saying it's ironic that the same people each week pay money to see the clowns
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2006, 20:22:24 »
Irony is something like "Oh yeah, that Landie will never get stuck" as you watch it sink into the mud bog never to be seen again.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2006, 20:29:10 »
Digressing somewhat.
Welcome to the site 'Dew' :D

Bit of a change from LRNet??
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2006, 20:34:33 »
Aye, thought I should broaden my horizons and take in other LR sites, just to see what I've been missing.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2006, 20:38:07 »
Irony is a unexpected or strange twist of fate.

Thats how a teacher explained it to me anyway god know how many years ago.
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2006, 21:19:28 »
From The Cambridge Dictionary


irony (WRONG RESULT)

a situation in which something which was intended to have a particular result has the opposite or a very different result:
The irony (of it) is that the new tax system will burden those it was intended to help.



irony (FIGURATIVE SPEECH)  

a means of expression which suggests a different, usually humorous or angry, meaning for the words used:
Her voice heavy with irony, Simone said, "We're so pleased you were able to stay so long." (= Her voice made it obvious they were not pleased).
Compare sarcasm.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2006, 08:45:14 »
the best example of irony as i understand is a cartoon by a guy called Mike Peyton. i dont know if he still does but he did do cartoons in a magazine called Practical Boat Owner.

imagine the situation, 2 men sat at the back of a boat, each reaching over the back holding on to a wellyboot each.
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its ironic, he always wore wellies a size too big so he could kick them off if he fell in

it makes more sense if you see it, but i cant find it anywhere
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2006, 08:52:13 »
Nope, best example was from Blackadder 2:
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Edmund Blackadder: "You have absolutely no idea what irony is, have you Baldrick?"
Baldrick: "Yes I have. It's just like steely and goldie, 'cept it's made of iron"
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2006, 11:59:41 »
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/alanismorissette/ironic.html   :(music):

This explains it perfectly    :(biglaugh):
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2006, 12:36:31 »
It's like getting a Devil Duckie to protect you and then having Friday 13th  a day early  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

DARE I put him in the truck ?????  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?


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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2006, 12:45:45 »
tomorrow is friday the 13th  :shock:

and i was going to fit my jackable sills tomorrow and hd rear bumper, maybe i better leave it till the weekend


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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2006, 12:52:06 »
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tomorrow is friday the 13th  :shock:

Only a problem if you're superstitious :wink:
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2006, 12:56:33 »
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http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/alanismorissette/ironic.html   :(music):

This explains it perfectly    :(biglaugh):

Err, no it doesn't apparently, unless you mean this (from The Free Disctionary)... :?

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Among those who assert that the song uses an invalid definition of irony, many find it ironic that Morissette would write a song titled "Ironic" with no actual irony in it. In 2004, Morissette herself stated that "the most ironic thing about 'Ironic' is that it's not filled with ironies" and acknowledged that the song doesn't live up to the definition, which is what makes it ironic.
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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2006, 12:59:43 »
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irony (FIGURATIVE SPEECH)  

a means of expression which suggests a different, usually humorous or angry, meaning for the words used:
Her voice heavy with irony, Simone said, "We're so pleased you were able to stay so long." (= Her voice made it obvious they were not pleased).
Compare sarcasm.

So, why is that irony and not sarcasm? Isn't sarcasm when you say one thing but your tone of voice makes it obvious that you mean something else (opposite)?
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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2006, 13:31:22 »
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So, why is that irony and not sarcasm? Isn't sarcasm when you say one thing but your tone of voice makes it obvious that you mean something else (opposite)?


Right, and Irony is just another version of it as far as I know.
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2006, 19:20:05 »
i dont do any irony the missus says i muck up the creases :lol:
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2006, 20:50:11 »
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i dont do any irony the missus says i muck up the creases :lol:

Oh, very funny! (was that irony or sarcasm :-k )
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