Err, are you sure???

[gords]

As some of you may know, my Discovery broke down on Sunday with a knackered clutch.

I talked to the garage (who are fully booked this week :roll: ) and they reckon that they are going to leave the gearbox/transfer box in place and move the engine forward to get a look at the clutch gubbins ...  :?

What do people think of that plan of action? Is it just me, or is that a wierd way to go about it?

[the loon]

try giving Maurice a bell at 4muddyfeet (link below) He'll give you advice
 

[Sooty]

It is an option Gords and is often done because of the size and weight of the gear box/transfer box as it is above the specified limit of many transmission jacks.
Never done it my self, done two clutches in the last 12 months (mine and Ed's) but used a 4 post ramp and hydraulic jack to remove the gear box/transfer box complete.
Just two ends of the same stick.

[Tigger]

I always tend to move the gearbox, I find it easier.

There is the added complicaiton of having to remove some of the interior trim, etc. in the tunnel to be able to do it, and some garages will shy away from this.

It's very much up to them which they prefer to use... as long as it doesn't cost you more... I wouldn't worry too much ;-)

[Digsit]

I reckon the 'fantastic' Haynes manual suggests removing the engine rather than the gearbox too :?

[gords]

It's very much up to them which they prefer to use... as long as it doesn't cost you more... I wouldn't worry too much ;-)

I don't necessarily care which way they do it ... but how do I know if it's going to cost more?

It certainly seems like a more complicated way of doing it...!?

[paul_humphreys]

I was quoted by a LR specialist its a day long job. But a friend has a garage and did it for £150 + parts. Moved the gear box.

Paul

[Wolfie]

Well, according to my Haynes manual (for a Defender which has less trim removal issues than a Discovery): "Note that if no other work is to be carried out on the gearbox, it is far simpler to remove the engine."

Regards

Wolfie

[beast5680]

personally i would take the gearbox away from the engine if i was doing it  but each to their own, what actually failed on the clutch then gordon, sounds like the jinx of Jake got you :lol:

[gords]

what actually failed on the clutch then gordon, sounds like the jinx of Jake got you :lol:

Yeah, it must be jake's fault  :lol:

I don't know for sure what's failed yet, but it was suggested on Sunday that "a pin has pushed through an arm" in the clutch ... can you tell I don't work on cars for a living? :lol:

[Bobtail]

When the local LR/4x4 garage did mine last year

he romved the engine as he said its easier and quicker

[gords]

he romved the engine as he said its easier and quicker

Is that "moved" or "removed"?


Is there anything worth doing/checking while the engine is out/moved, such as check/replace engine mounts?

[chris9119]

Gords

Same happened to me on Sunday.......

Its a six of one, half a dozen of the other......

Engine being moved is easier than taking out the box.

We took the box out so that we could change the crank seal at the same time (easier with a ramp and lifting/lowering gear).

What ever you do, make sure you put a complete new clutch in and re-inforce the fork arm (weld on nut on the back of it). This stops it breaking through under constant use.

Chris

[gords]

What ever you do, make sure you put a complete new clutch in and re-inforce the fork arm (weld on nut on the back of it). This stops it breaking through under constant use.

Is it a case of "a clutch is a clutch is a clutch", or would a specific make be best?

Is this "weld a nut on" thing a known fix? Is it possible to buy a reinforced fork arm?

[Wanderer]

To be honest and it's only my opinion :)

Welding on to the clutch form may introduce rust to the arm if itsn't properly painted and may intruce a weakness that wasn't there previously.

Also I'd think that given usage we have that a clutch fork is going to outlive a clutch. So it's best just to change it every time the box is out for whatever reason (within reason) They are only about £7

I would always renew all of the components. Friction plate, pressure plate, thrust bearing, fork and the pivot post. You really don't want to be going back in there because something else has failed.

Ed

[gords]

To be honest and it's only my opinion :)

Thank you Ed, your opinion is most welcome :)

[chris9119]

To be honest and it's only my opinion :)

Thank you Ed, your opinion is most welcome :)

Would agree with Ed, but £7 is three beers & when a nut is free, along with the paint, then why bother.

In my time, that would have been £28 quid (yes, I've had four clutches in three and a half years - don't ask).

Chris

[Wanderer]

That buys a lot of sausages :)

[Bobtail]

he romved the engine as he said its easier and quicker

Is that "moved" or "removed"?


Is there anything worth doing/checking while the engine is out/moved, such as check/replace engine mounts?

he took it out  :?:  :!:  :shock:

thats what he told me

[bobtail4x4]

It might be a bit tight to just move the engine forwards.

[muddyweb]

I prefer to use a Borg & Beck clutch if I do one...  for no reason other than that I've *never* had a problem with them.

There are stronger clutch forks available, but sourcing them can be difficult.

[Wanderer]

I don't know about the 300tdi but how does anyone get at the top 2 bolts on a 200tdi engine without dropping the gearbox down and tilting both of them?

Or is it just me that has fingers that are too fat :lol:

Ed

[Xtremeteam]

I don't know about the 300tdi but how does anyone get at the top 2 bolts on a 200tdi engine without dropping the gearbox down and tilting both of them?

Or is it just me that has fingers that are too fat :lol:

Ed

fingers are to fat,use 4 extensions so it comes out over the top o the Tbox

inregards to the clutch fork i weld a section o 1/4 flatbar across where it pivots thus it will NEVER wear through

[Rangie3.0LtrDan]

After going through this very recently myself (major major clutch woes) the gearbox out is the easiest option.  This is a definate, anyone who says engine out (after my experience of everyone telling me how easy it was) is the easiest way to do it is either someone who has a very kitted out workshop or is talking crap!

We had to do the fork, the clutch and everything else on mine, we went to try engine removal first and it was a pig, well over 5 hours to remove an engine, gearbox removal is about 2 hours if you know what your doing.  You dont even need to remove the gearbox, you can just move it back a little (which is what the local garage did when i gave it to them in the end).

I'm sorry if anyone is offended by my saying they are talking crap but after my experience with people telling me to take the engine out i can safely say its not the easiest option!

[extreme90]

i always move the engine forward but then agen it is a disco so isnt as easy as a defender  :lol:  so you have to remove the engine to get a better view of the clutch, unless you go through the agro of taking the rad out, my grandad has a disco 200tdi i have had the engine out 5 times now....once in the middle of a muddy field because he blew one up so he replaced it and it only takes a hour for me to remove....providing that the b****** top nut isnt on the bellhousing  :shock:  now im sure that it is easier to move the engine than gearbox as you have to remove the panel from the central console ect....but that is my own opinion  :D

[extreme90]

with the right kit and knowing what your doing and not taking uneccisary things out it can easily be done in a hour with either a block and takle or a engine hoistm that is providing that the bloody top nut on the bellhousing isnt fitted.....as i found out it was  :(  isnt no more  :P

[gords]

Just heard from the garage - they've got to the clutch and confirmed that the clutch fork is knackered :roll:  Also, it seems to have managed to knacker the slave cylinder too :roll:

I prefer to use a Borg & Beck clutch if I do one...

That's what they're putting in - seemed silly not to replace the clutch while they were there - plus a new clutch fork and slave cylinder.

I think I need to send my children out to work ... got to pay for this Land Rover upkeep somehow    :lol:

Shame there's not much call for chimney sweeps anymore :lol:

[beast5680]

send them out to wash the cars in your road gordon, to get the oil off they drive thru past your drive  :lol:

[gords]

Well, it's back ... we're not speaking at the moment on account of the almighty dent my credit card has just taken

I suppose I'm pleased though...


 :-k

[Jake]

Oh dear
Glad its back though
Fancy coming out on sunday?
Check the events section...Speen
 :D