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« on: March 22, 2006, 13:01:25 »
Not clear what the road tax increase to us will be - the top (1% of the newest most poluting vehicles) band will be £210 per year !

He didn't specifically mention 4x4's either.......
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2006, 13:08:21 »
He didn't mention 4x4s, because it was the media which stirred things up.  Apparantly Mr.Brown never accused 4x4s.

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2006, 13:49:42 »
According to the bbc review of the budget only applies to cars registered from today :cry:

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2006, 13:59:17 »
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a new higher band of graduated VED (band G), set at £210 for petrol cars, will be introduced for the most polluting new cars (those above 225g of carbon dioxide emissions per kilometre);

• the VED rate for the small number of cars with the very lowest carbon emissions (band A) will be reduced to £0 to encourage take-up and assist the development of the low carbon car market;

• VED rates will also be reduced for band B by £35 and C by £5, frozen for bands D and E, and increased by £25 for band F;

• rates for pre-2001 registered cars and light goods vehicles in the lower band will be frozen with the higher band increased by £5;

• the reduced rate of graduated VED for alternative fuel cars will be extended to include those cars manufactured to run on high blend bioethanol (E85); and

• In total, 50 per cent of cars will see their VED frozen or reduced.Three million cars will pay VED of £100 or less.

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2006, 14:04:29 »
Excuse me for being thick but.......

Does that mean if our truck was registered before 2001 we're looking at a £5 increase in road tax??
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2006, 14:05:28 »
That's how I read it...  :?

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2006, 14:07:52 »
Bummer!......think I'll sell it and buy a bike! :roll:
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2006, 14:08:35 »
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Excuse me for being thick but.......

Does that mean if our truck was registered before 2001 we're looking at a £5 increase in road tax??


Absolutely.  Cars registered before 2001 will always only be taxed on the grounds of their engine size since the manufacturers weren't obliged to provide CO2 values back then.
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2006, 14:09:33 »
£5 is not much considering tax goes up every year anyway.

Very pleased 4x4s haven't been specifically targetted and its ALL vehicles which produce high amounts of C02 not just ours!!
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2006, 14:12:16 »
Ok this is the whole budget.

The interesting bits start on. page 170

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/bud06_completereport_2320.pdf
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2006, 14:14:24 »
Now my brain hurts.
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2006, 14:17:32 »
Quote from: "C C"
Ok this is the whole budget.

The interesting bits start on. page 170

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/bud06_completereport_2320.pdf


2.3MB file just in case the page 170 bit didn't give you a clue  :wink:  :lol:

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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2006, 14:24:20 »
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a new higher band of graduated VED (band G), set at £210 for petrol cars, will be introduced for the most polluting new cars (those above 225g of carbon dioxide emissions per kilometre);



see red highlight :D

Well at least that is something... since Diesel 4x4's out number Petrol by about 2:1 in today's sales, I cant see it make the slightest bit of difference!
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2006, 14:26:06 »
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Excuse me for being thick but.......

Does that mean if our truck was registered before 2001 we're looking at a £5 increase in road tax??


Absolutely.  Cars registered before 2001 will always only be taxed on the grounds of their engine size since the manufacturers weren't obliged to provide CO2 values back then.


What p***es me off is that none of us can get reduced tax for running cleaner fuels, like LPG or Biodiesel.

Interestingly, Biodiesel/Veg oil are carbon neutral fuels, meaning the plants absorb the CO2 made by the engine.  The big picture is that such cars are solar powered :wink:

Electric cars on the other hand are not, they rely on power stations to burn fossil fuels, so not really that clean after all :roll:

The big plus with electric cars is when they incorporate regenerative braking, as used on the railways.  For those who don't know this means using the motor as a generator to recharge the batteries, converting the momentum of the car back into electric charge rather than heat energy in brakes.

Trouble is the people in power don't understand anything about how the world works, this lot are also too easliy swayed by the antis, but then we knew that already right :wink:
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2006, 14:29:42 »
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Excuse me for being thick but.......

Does that mean if our truck was registered before 2001 we're looking at a £5 increase in road tax??


Absolutely.  Cars registered before 2001 will always only be taxed on the grounds of their engine size since the manufacturers weren't obliged to provide CO2 values back then.


What p***es me off is that none of us can get reduced tax for running cleaner fuels, like LPG or Biodiesel.

Interestingly, Biodiesel/Veg oil are carbon neutral fuels, meaning the plants absorb the CO2 made by the engine.  The big picture is that such cars are solar powered :wink:

Electric cars on the other hand are not, they rely on power stations to burn fossil fuels, so not really that clean after all :roll:

The big plus with electric cars is when they incorporate regenerative braking, as used on the railways.  For those who don't know this means using the motor as a generator to recharge the batteries, converting the momentum of the car back into electric charge rather than heat energy in brakes.

Trouble is the people in power don't understand anything about how the world works, this lot are also too easliy swayed by the antis, but then we knew that already right :wink:


With you on that one.   I'm (like lots of others) running on LPG


No tax break though!! :roll:
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2006, 14:32:42 »
on roughtly page 168 it states that as of sept 1st 2006 LPG duty will be increased by 2.25p per litre.
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2006, 14:40:24 »
All land rovers are in band F. So thats a £25 increase to £195 / year

Plus another £5 increase...meaning we will pay £200 a year for our tax :evil:

Thats how i read it
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2006, 14:55:07 »
A friend sent this by email earlier
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The actual changes are...

* Vehicles registered before 1st March 2001

    Duty for vehicles above 1549cc increased from £170 to £175.  Duty for
    smaller engines unchanged at £110.

* Vehicles registered on or after 1st March 2001

    Band D and E vehicles have their duty unchanged.  Vehicles with lower
    emissions have cheaper RFL, and vehicles with higher emissions get
    more expensive.

    For vehicles that don't fall into the next group, the highest band
    is still F, with petrol RFL rising from £165 to £190, and diesel
    rising from £170 to £195.

* Vehicles registered on or after 23rd March 2006

    This has the new GVED band "G".  For emissions of 226 g/km or more
    of CO2, this introduces a RFL of £200 for alternative fuels, £210
    for petrol, and £215 for diesel.


   See table A8 on http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/20F/2F/bud06_cha_134.pdf

So not exactly the doomsday scenario that the press were predicting for 4x4 owners. I guess there are a few red faces in "Fleet Street".

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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2006, 14:55:26 »
I think you will find that you are either pre 2001 or you are in band F. As far as I remember it the VED rates do not apply to anything pre 2001 so for me the disco will go up £5 a year and and my series 2a will still be free  :wink:

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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2006, 21:26:18 »
Not that I agree with the increase but surely LPG/Bio fuel users are already getting a tax break by the prices of such fuel ?
I had an LPG rangie for a while(grunter's now) and was impressed with fuel costs.
Of course I would love reduced tax but lets get real here ! If WE choose to drive these vehicles(no one is forcing us) as there are alternatives in seven seat formats etc then we should bear the increase with dignity !
As I read it it applies to all fuel burners and not just 4x4s. As a lot a 4x4s are diesal then whers the problem as we will have lower emisions and wont be liable for an increased tax band in the future.
I have to say if you can afford to run a car that does 14 MPG then you can afford the tax.
The old saying goes. If you have to ask what it does to the gallon you cant afford it !

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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2006, 01:08:46 »
to some extent I agree with you bullfrog, we do have to accept some responsibility for what we drive.  But look at it this way, if I were to run my disco on veg oil it would be 0g C02 but I would get no tax reduction.  Or I could buy a cheap old ford fiesta produce more c02 and still pay less tax than I would with nice clean veg oil!!!
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2006, 07:54:05 »
Hi,

where do i stand - mine is a 99 disco but first registered in this country in 2004 as i imported it from Australia?

Regardless - do they really think we will rush out and sell our beloved transport just cos they put the cost up by £40 or whatever.

I have a person in the office who drives a fiat which kicks out a heap of black smoke but because it is below 1000 cc she thinks she won't have to pay any road tax any more!!!!

i believe that a lot of people out there are going to get a real shock next road tax time!!!! - and none of them will own a 4wd

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