rant-rant ( is it just me)

[tomcat]

me and the wife went to london for the week end ,1st wedding anniversary,
should of brushed up on my spanish&french&polish/greek/indian/ what happend to all the cockneys, no one speaks english in london felt like an alien.is it just me. :(  :(  :(

[dave_2A_2.25Turbo]

Nope

We went to the Ideal Home show - 75% of the stalls were manned by foreigners

[Colin 009]

Maybe I'm the only one left, :lol:  Cor blimey govnor, down the frog and toad, up the apple and pears. :lol:

[dave_2A_2.25Turbo]

Sounds like you've been watching The Sweeney too much, Colin

[Edge]

I lived and worked in Mayfair prior to Scotland and yes......there aint many English folk left in London.....we had mainly Polish/Indian people applying for employment & all the neighbours were Arabian/German/Brazilian/Italian. Saying that...the average Englishman can't afford to buy property in central London.

[bezzabsa]

Yup same around here, Polish is the new 2nd language I think...
also you can bet that if a car is being a [ed: naughty] around here it has PL on the plate  

[woody]

try Blackpool
3000 polish were shipped in last year to fill all the vacancies in the tourist industry, yet we are an area of high unemployment  ](*,)  ](*,)  ](*,)  ](*,)  ](*,)  ](*,)

[murph]

Same round my way, I had applications land on my desk for a warehouse job, 15 applications not 1 single english applicant !!!!!!! Italian, polish, slovacian.

[Hightower]

We went to London last school hols and found that even the Tower of London is now manned by foreigners.

15 applications not 1 single english applicant

Sadly it's a sign of the times.  Easier to sponge off the state than do a days work.  If people actually got off their backsides rather than take the easy way out and sign on to the dole, then we wouldn't be in the position we are today.

[PUX]

im not even going to get started on this as i reakon if i told ya how i felt u would not talk to me  :?

[K9Jim]

this says it all really

[Horness]

My employer has a high percentage of Polish employees, and it's steadily rising.  Brit's will not work for minimum, or close-to-minimum wage, they are better off on the dole!  We are doing higher turnover, with less profit, and 50% more staff.  :roll:

Being the IT Manager for the Group of companies, I've had to get the Tech teams to start installing Windows/Office etc. in Polish for some users, and we're having to support them too.  :shock:   I was informed quietly that I should (read: must) employ a Polish IT Technician next.

Briton has become the mongrel of Europe.  Thanks Tony.  :x   Some of the actions of its members leave a lot to be desired, but when I see the state of things, the BNP manifesto's make a lot of sense.

[yer auld aunt nelly]

I feel for the sake of kindness,i'd best not comment on this issue.(needless to say I work in warehouseing/logistics)

[WishIhadaLandy]

loads of foriegn truck drivers over here, where my dad works they get 40 artic's a day in and loads of those drivers are polish, slovakian etc.
Some of them can't speak any english so getting the load details right is a nightmare.

[sleeplessparadise]

My employer has a high percentage of Polish employees, and it's steadily rising.  Brit's will not work for minimum, or close-to-minimum wage, they are better off on the dole!

I do  :!: Work for minimum wage that is.......in fact I work for Age Concern going to old people's homes and helping them in the homes. If I go and there is nobody home I actually only get £2.50 for the visit.........most of my visits are away from my area at my own expense. I do not get a fuel allowance or any other consideration for my car so I actually work for less than the £5.05 minimum wage that I earn when you take into account my own overheads.

[K9Jim]

someone remind me why B - Liar and Labour are still here   :x

[Hightower]

someone remind me why B - Liar and Labour are still here   :x

Because the majority of the population are apathetic about doing anything to make a change  :?

[Sider]

Well, no offence intended, but I do work bloody hard, for a rather decent salary (I am on the same money as an agency driver working 50 hours, my week tends to be 40~45, and I have a company van to go to and from the yard) and the main problem my boss finds with staff we take on is lazyness.

Last 3 drivers we tried preferred to go back to agency work, didn't want to get a bit dirty working on site. As with driving, my experience in the past with different employment agencies is the same: more often than not, people will do the absolute necessary minimum not to be dismissed. With that kind of attitude, are any of you surprised that employers prefer foreign workers better than indigenous personnel???

P.S. In case you are wondering, I am not a British national, and I actually would't mind to hear the typical bigotist propaganda saying why I should not be here, if possible (though not plausible), accompanied by legal, moral and logical arguments, not just the common racist tirade.

[woody]

sider
most decent people (on here ((imho)) dont care where you come from the colour of your skin your religious leaning or your sexual orientation we all have a common interest that brings us here (if i dont like someone its between me and him/her)

i can only speak about my post

try Blackpool
3000 polish were shipped in last year to fill all the vacancies in the tourist industry, yet we are an area of high unemployment Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall

my only concern is why do we need to bring in people when we have a large amount of unemployed people

if we have a shortage of skilled workers we look the world over to bring these people to this country

we dont have a shortage of people capable of doing low paid unskilled work, get the job learn the skills and WORK your way up to that well paid skilled job

i thought they might be able to do the work or am i being silly

[DaveS]

There is something wrong with a system which allows lazy gits to sit on their fat backsides on the dole rather than earning a living!!

I have no problem with foreign workers if they are working but I do have a problem with the number of so called "asylum seekers" who have failed to be allowed to stay and have not been kicked out!!

Welcome to Blairtopia!!

Newly qualified doctors from abroad-trained here but may get sent home!!
Criminal scumbags- allowed to disapear and reoffend!!!

Blair and co should be booted out- but the usual apathy will probably rule!!

[Sider]

Woody, my rant had nothing to do with your post. My rant was against some shows of bigotry I read above. I am growing a bit tired of having to deal with bigots pretty much every day, specially the kind of leeches that are discussed in other parts of this thread.

As a matter of fact, I mostly agree with you. The problem we have is that some people won't do the job, no matter how well you pay them. It's easier to sit in the pub all day and get paid for it, than  doing a day's job to earn twice the money, ergo they sit in the pub spending their giros.

It might be an unwanted side effect of the welfare state, but I guess we have to live with it. And if to fill those posts we (and in we I am referring to the whole of western Europe) need to rely on imported workers, we have little to no option.

As for the asylum seekers, I am all for letting them work, once their status as refugees is consolidated, and even before. Unfortunately, that could also lead to abuse of the asylum system by economic migrants, which would take us back to square one.

[waveydavey]

I have no problem with non brits: I am an Englishman living in Wales after all.
I work on a ship with probably 20+ nationalaties with no problems.

My wife is South African (We met outside the UK - well outside any country actually) totally legit in the country and we have paid over a grand for that, it does get a little upsetting when you break the law and the goverment fund your life.

Now if you really want to get annoyed phone the Home Office Immigration helpline: Not that BRITISH HOME OFFICE, 9 times out of 10 you get somebody who struggles with English, now that does get me upset !

[rollazuki]

Problem is guys, if you speak freely about it, you get branded racist.


Theres a lot of bad feeling in this country being stifled by the need to be politically correct, especially in the workplace.


We need gates on the ports

[fram]

I too am getting pretty upset about the fact that if you show even a little bit of national pride people will brand you a racist. Take for example the prison officers who donated to charity by buying little badges with the st georges flag on them, and then were told not to wear them as they could be causing offence!! Or the taxi drivers that displayed the st georges cross on their cars during the last world cup and were then cautioned that they were seen as threatening.

I also have a problem with the large amount of the foreign workers that come over here and work for minimum wage, then qualify for free medical treatment, maybe tax credits, possibly housing, all taken out of a pot of tax payers money that they have put little or nothing into!!

I do NOT blame the foreign workers, or the immigrants. I blame the government, and the people who put them there...namely british nationals with the right to vote!!

And as a british national, I have the right to complain about it in a civilised public discussion such as this.

Sider: Yes I agree with you people should not make sweeping generalised comments about people, without legal moral or any kind of evidence to back their statments up....such as "Is it any wonder that my boss employs foreign nationals, when all the brits he seems to employ do not want to work and are inherently lazy!!"

Fram

[Sider]

Fram, in all honesty, if you will only read extracts from my posts, instead of reading them in whole, you can keep your opinions about them to yourself. If you are not able to do that, at least refrain from misquoting me, if you don't mind. I do tend to get a bit upset when people twist what I say to suit their own agenda.

I was not generalizing, but simply stating what I have experienced first hand. Whereas skilled people are relatively easy for us to find, unskilled people, or labourers, or second men, who we would train to get into the "skilled personnel" slot are quite frankly next to impossible to find, and the same applies to drivers, very few are willing to do the same job and the same kind of loads I do, although they would be getting the equivalent of 10 hours agency work a day, working an average of 8 hours. They prefer the lower paid agency work, before the better paid, though phisically demanding work we offer.
And it's not only our company, most piling companies we work with find the same problem. Same goes for building firms.

I have absolutely no problems with people being proud of their britishness, and I despise PC, but if you are not able to distinguish between unPC and downright bigotry, I feel pretty sorry for you.

In my time in Britain I have been unemployed for the staggering amount of 4 months, none of that time through my choice, in some cases not being chosen for a position not through lack of preparation, nor losing to a better suited candidate, but simply because they preferred to hire a British national, even though their skills/training/attitude was inferior to what I could offer (and before you ask, it is not paranoia, it was pointed out to me by infuriated employment agencies managers, who had been told off for daring to send a non briton to the interviews). Yet in all those 4 months, I refused to collect the unemployment allowance I was entitled to. Go figure.

[fram]

sider, I don't want to make a big issue of this, but you did say that your boss employs foriegn nationals because brits are lazy!!

If being proud of my country (whats left of it) is biggoted then well yes I guess I am a little.
Please try reading the whole of my post as well
Cheers mate
Fram

[K9Jim]

sider,
i have read what you have written, and i understand what you are saying. BUT i think people are writting on here voicing their opinions and thoughts rather than a personal attack on you. you may say that that is not the case but reading your text you give the impression that people are personally attcking you.
i have seen, as i am sure many people on here have these discusions disolve into  personal attacks and people leaving and throwing wobblies. please don't let this go that way. if you don't want people commenting on your posts then don't write them.

my belief is that the George Cross has become a dirty symbol, rather than the symbol of a nation it has become the sign of racists, football holigans etc.
Lets turn it around, lets make people proud to display the george cross without fear of reprisal. don't forget that it is also the sign of the CoE, a sign of religion.  :D

hope i have not offended anyone but i think time out has to be called on this without the need for the mods to step in.   if i am wrong then please correct me.

[Sider]

I don't take it as a personal attack, but I still maintain that some views expressed here bordered, if not crossed the boundaries of, outspoken racism.

One thing is correct, though, hooligans and extremists have taken the Cross of St George as their own, and in doing so they have almost succeded in making it something dirty. The way to reclaim that symbol back is not by playing into their rethorics, but by keeping the higher moral ground. We have a very good example in history of what happens when a group of radicals take an otherwise innocent symbol and turn it into an epythome of barbarism and hatred. This country played one of the starring roles in getting rid of those "subhumans" (a word they used without pudor to describe their victims, in an attempt to legitimise their crimes).

Look, England became great thanks to the efforts of all the parts of the British Empire. All countries that have been succesful in the past have been on the receiving end of the migratory moves. Look at Germany: a great part of their success in rebuilding the country after WWII (apart from the wagonloads of money they received from the US) was their ability to acomodate inmigrants into their workforce (particularly Turkish, but quite a lot of Southern Europeans, including Spaniards). France, where a lot of the working classess come from Northern Africa. Even the US's industry would have been ground to a halt if it weren't for the amount of inmigrants, including Chinese, Irish, Polish, Russian, Mexican, you name it.

And I do agree that the responsibility for the abuses of the system lies not with the inmigrants, but with the government. But do you really think that things would be much different with any other party in Downing Street?? I don't think so.