Wolf wheels fit series??

[Artwigwa]

Hi all, I have fitted a set of wolf wheels to my S3 but the wheel studs seem to be a bit short for the wheels? I have tightened the nuts ok with 8 full turns, is this ok or do I heed to fit longer studs and where can I get some??

Steve

Ps First post  :shock: , cool site  :D

[MOTORSPORT_SAFETY]

HI MATE

GET THEM OFF!!!!!!

The wheel studs are not long enough I used to work in the trade and when we sold a set of wheels they would not supply them unless they supplied appropriat studs nuts of bolts.

What they told us was you need 5 threads clear of the nut by the looks of it you dont have that and the nuts are only just 3/4 of the way over the stud

id try and get longer studs for that on a personal note I wouldnt drive it like that.

Sorry for the neg feedback on the plus they do look nice

Paul

[Xtremeteam]

HI MATE

GET THEM OFF!!!!!!

The wheel studs are not long enough I used to work in the trade and when we sold a set of wheels they would not supply them unless they supplied appropriat studs nuts of bolts.

What they told us was you need 5 threads clear of the nut by the looks of it you dont have that and the nuts are only just 3/4 of the way over the stud

id try and get longer studs for that on a personal note I wouldnt drive it like that.

Sorry for the neg feedback on the plus they do look nice

Paul

AFAIK to get full strength out of a thread its 3 threads min,

anyhow i spent 6 months changing hubs etc on the racer so i could run disco rims cos the scrutineer kept failing me,was 1 1/2 threads short of a full nut,in the end spun them in a lathe & took 1mm of each nut,problem cured

[MOTORSPORT_SAFETY]

Hi Mike

Yeah that would work but I have 2 problems with that idea here.

By the time hes cleared that many threads hes not going to have much of a nut left.

and 2 the less nut the less surface area on the threads holding this off.

The only reason I brought this is up is I would hate to have to be the first person on scene if one of them sets of nuts decided to let go it would be messy.

My advice would be to get longer studs or even have some made up at an engineering shop.

I might be wrong on the actual no of threads and turns it has been a while since I was in the trade so things may have changed

[hobbit]

the scrutineer kept failing me, was 1 1/2 threads short of a full nut

But was he referring to the wheels or the loose nut behind the wheel  :lol:

[Sooty]

spun them in a lathe & took 1mm of each nut,problem cured

I very rarely comment on this sort of thread but could not believe what I was reading :shock:
There is a lot of engineering calculations and metal science goes into deciding the size and number of wheel nuts used on motor vehicles and the reason the scrutineers are failing your motor is because it is UNSAFE.
There is only one thing worse than wheel nuts (and studs) that are the wrong size and that is the real nut that will do things to CON the scrutineers onto allowing an UNSAFE vehicle into an event.
I would not like to get in the way of an out of control Land Rover wheel travelling at 50 mph.
USE THE CORRECT NUTS AND STUDS OR DON'T USE THE WHEELS.
You could kill yourself or worse an innocent marshal or spectator.
{sooty gets down off his soap box}
Sorry, I thought a long time about posting this but I am now 50 years old and have done my fair share of motor sport and seen first hand the damage a flying wheel can do.
Please take no offence by this Mike but giving advice like that is not a good idea

[MOTORSPORT_SAFETY]

spun them in a lathe & took 1mm of each nut,problem cured

I very rarely comment on this sort of thread but could not believe what I was reading :shock:
There is a lot of engineering calculations and metal science goes into deciding the size and number of wheel nuts used on motor vehicles and the reason the scrutineers are failing your motor is because it is UNSAFE.
There is only one thing worse than wheel nuts (and studs) that are the wrong size and that is the real nut that will do things to CON the scrutineers onto allowing an UNSAFE vehicle into an event.
I would not like to get in the way of an out of control Land Rover wheel travelling at 50 mph.
USE THE CORRECT NUTS AND STUDS OR DON'T USE THE WHEELS.
You could kill yourself or worse an innocent marshal or spectator.
{sooty gets down off his soap box}
Sorry, I thought a long time about posting this but I am now 50 years old and have done my fair share of motor sport and seen first hand the damage a flying wheel can do.
Please take no offence by this Mike but giving advice like that is not a good idea

I didnt think of this side of things considering what I do at weekends and that I run a response unit for events motorsport or not, and I agree I would not want to argue with any wheel traveling at any speed let alone a landy one.

The studs should be easy enough to sort out worse case is having to get some machined up but at least he would have a comeback on someone if they failed.

All the best and I hope you manage to sort it out and dont forget to let us all know how you go about it.

Paul

[ian_s]

i'm wondering why the studs arent long enough
generally that means the wheel isnt sitting fully home on the hub, like something is stopping it. either that, or the centre plate on them wheels is thicker than a standard series rim

Ian

[philbert]

yep the wolf wheel is thicker than the standard series wheel as i have just found.
now to find someone that will supply longer studs!

p.s. 130 wheel studs are longer but they are £9 odds EACH!

[Xtremeteam]

yep the wolf wheel is thicker than the standard series wheel as i have just found.
now to find someone that will supply longer studs!

p.s. 130 wheel studs are longer but they are £9 odds EACH!

YUP & to fit them to the racer woulda ment having to buy either 4 new hubs to take them or change the axles,

sooty:fair point in what you say BUT at the end of the day having been shown the suitlbe sums regarding all the "science" that goes into said calculations loosing the 1mm didnt make any odds, :roll:  in my post i stated what i "did" instead of spending £200 on studs,would you?

Dont think so,

& at no point in my post did i say do this ........,

just stated what i did!

[Porny]

Hrmm...

I admit, not ideal... but I ran my Series 3 for quite a while with Wolf rims without a problem...

Its the same if you run Disco steel or Wolf rims on a Series or an early 90/110... as the studs are not long enough.  This only changes on a 130" or on a later Disco/Defender which have longer studs as standard (ones with the slash on the end)

As long as the wheel is done up to the correct torque then you should not have any problems - just regually check your nuts   ....
Although, in the longer term you should really get a set of longer studs.

But as mentioned... I never had any problems..

People only notice because the wheel nut is on open ended type, and not a close/blind one - like an alloy wheel nut.  If you cut the end off a standard Land Rover alloy wheel nut, you will find that the stud does not protrude past the end of the nut... so is same as what you are doing.
(Although an axle suitable for alloy wheels will have longer studs).



Ian

[Artwigwa]

Hi all, I didn't think my post would cause such a debate?! I have found a company that do extra long wheel studs for Land Rover, emailed them and just waiting for a reply on how much they cost!! Here's the link

www.zeus.uk.com/land-rover.php

[philbert]

beat you to it

 Ã‚£115.74 for a set of 20 inc of V.A.T and carriage.

[ian_s]

you can nearly get a decent set of rims for that!

[Artwigwa]

Series went straight through MOT with the wheels as is?! Also no wheel nuts lost or loosened during london to brighton run?!

[mark.yellow.series.3]

IMHO they are ok, i dont know anyone that has nuts stripped off the tread offroading or otherwise, LR tend to be over engineered, and the chances of that failing are slim to none.

like i say this is only my opionion.