4x4 and phones

[Arightpest]

 Did anybody else hear on the radio today a news item saying because people with 4x4 believe there motors are safer to drive we are more likely to use a mobile phone while driving :shock: . I nearly fell of me forklift laughing  :lol: what will we be accused of next.  :(  Have they lost the plot and are we going to be blamed for everything from now on. The next thing you know Gordon brown going to pop off his old bombs at the 4x4 fraternity just so he can use them up and buy some nice shiny new ones. :(mad):  I wouldn’t mind it to much if they pointed them at the moon but strapped him and Tony to the first one followed by all the traffic wardens.  :twisted:  :twisted: Rant over  :(mad):

[att]

As a biker and living in the SE of England, I can wholeheartedly concur with these findings......Most peeps in 4X4`s do use the phone whilst driving, followed by truck drivers......Mmmmm, I see a trend here.
I would just like to add, that I use my phone only when stationary.......Having had plenty of near misses whilst riding with folks on mobile phones....It really is the only way.
I have had plenty more probs with these imbeciles than I have had with drink drivers.
If you use a mobile whilst driving, you should be banned.....Treat it the same as drink driving.

[V8MoneyPit]

......Most peeps in 4X4`s do use the phone whilst driving, followed by truck drivers......

I do think that statement is a little harsh. 'Most peeps' probably means a small percentage of 'peeps' that drive 4x4's. It might be that you can see them easier than those in cars. Using a mobile (even seen people texting!), or eating, or drinking, or smoking, or doing make-up, or brushing hair, or changing a CD, or...... the list goes on..... is a stupid idea in any vehicle while in most situations.

Having said that, I followed a woman in a pink Vitara a week or so ago and she was on her phone when she passed me at the junction and stayed on it all the way through the local town. Then was still blabbing on it as she drove onto the dual carriageway. I had to pull in for fuel so I didn't see her put it down  :shock:

[mark.yellow.series.3]

IAM A 4X4 OWNER AND IAM SCUM  
is everybody happy now

[Range Rover Blues]

In m y humble opinion the worst offenders are women drivers on the school run/bombing around town.  I see them all day long.  My opinion is of no consequence to the arguament though as I do not live in Hammersmith, the world centre of driving excelence, were the survey was conducted.

[Bush Tucker Man]

Don't forget the main culprits;
B*W drivers
Chavs in their Saxo/Corsa/Fiesta/ Nova, etc.....

Girly hairdresser type in her hatchback/RAV4, etc......

Bus drivers!
There was a case in the 'Yorkshire Post'[/b] last week where a bus driver was reported by passengers for reading a paper whilst driving.
Numpty :twisted:

[sleeplessparadise]

Don't forget the main culprits;
B*W drivers
Chavs in their Saxo/Corsa/Fiesta/ Nova, etc.....

Have to agree with you there BTM, they spend all that money on an expensive vehicle or on modding it and wont pay for a basic hands free kit. We may have old land rovers and an old mundano but we werent too cheap to buy and fit proper hands free kits to our vehicles. Still dont like to answer it when its on there but at least its not as dangerous as holding it betwixt shoulder and ear :!:

[Bush Tucker Man]

We may have old land rovers and an old mundano but we werent too cheap to buy and fit proper hands free kits to our vehicles. Still dont like to answer it when its on there but at least its not as dangerous as holding it betwixt shoulder and ear :!:

Yes, one of the first things I did not long after I bought the 110 was fit a  hands-free I bought from someone on here

[bezzabsa]

As a biker and living in the SE of England, I can wholeheartedly concur with these findings......Most peeps in 4X4`s do use the phone whilst driving, followed by truck drivers......Mmmmm, I see a trend here.
I would just like to add, that I use my phone only when stationary.......Having had plenty of near misses whilst riding with folks on mobile phones....It really is the only way.
I have had plenty more probs with these imbeciles than I have had with drink drivers.
If you use a mobile whilst driving, you should be banned.....Treat it the same as drink driving.

Well I am a Land rover owner/driver.. I drive HGV's for a living, and also ride a bandit 600..as for using a phone I DONT....IF I HAVE TO ANSWER IT I STOP!!!!
I resent the fact that you assume all hgv drivers and 4x4 drivers are total pratts!!!!!

[landraver]

Here here Bezza!!
att, you're talking absolute rubbish! I NEVER use a phone whilst driving, & I've been driving a 4x4 for much longer than I've had a mobile. I resent your accusation.

Jeff

[att]

As a biker and living in the SE of England, I can wholeheartedly concur with these findings......Most peeps in 4X4`s do use the phone whilst driving, followed by truck drivers......Mmmmm, I see a trend here.
I would just like to add, that I use my phone only when stationary.......Having had plenty of near misses whilst riding with folks on mobile phones....It really is the only way.
I have had plenty more probs with these imbeciles than I have had with drink drivers.
If you use a mobile whilst driving, you should be banned.....Treat it the same as drink driving.

Well I am a Land rover owner/driver.. I drive HGV's for a living, and also ride a bandit 600..as for using a phone I DONT....IF I HAVE TO ANSWER IT I STOP!!!!
I resent the fact that you assume all hgv drivers and 4x4 drivers are total pratts!!!!!

No, not pratts, merely inconsiderate to other road users.

[landraver]

Bezza, IGNOR THIS IDIOT!!!

[Budgie]

Up here in Scotland it's an offence to use a mobile while driving along the lines of not wearing your seatbelt. So if someone has done a study and the results show that there are people still using their mobiles while driving then surly the questions should be:

"Why are more people not beinging charged?" and "Why are they getting away with it so often?"  :?

[landraver]

So come on att, give us your evidence. If what you say is true, you will have the statistics at hand (surely an intelligent person wouldn't make such an allegation against "MOST" 4x4 drivers without evidence....would they??)

[landraver]

Helloooooo??

[barmiebrumie]

I have two 4x4's & both have hand's free kit's fitted :roll: , it's not rocket sience & not that expensive, But as usuall we're all child killer's & are killing the planet :twisted: Why can't these people pick on someone else like all the chav's racing around flat out in there  saxo's/corsa's ect ect,







John.

[att]

So come on att, give us your evidence. If what you say is true, you will have the statistics at hand (surely an intelligent person wouldn't make such an allegation against ALL 4x4 drivers without evidence....would they??)

OK, just today returning from my place of employment, I came up behind a new RR Sport, lovely bit of kit they are, we are in a 60 zone, he is doing 40, this is unusual for such a amchine, upon closer inspection...i.e. right beside him, he is chatting on his phone, oblivious to me until I open up the throttle, he had not seen me, or even more suprisingly, heard me.
This pillock gave me an evil look, I tapped his wing mirror.

That was just today, it happens most days and mostly in larger vehicles, but you do have to take into account that I do live in the Sussex area, most vehicles are large and a good percentage 4X4 vehicles.

This is based purely on my own experience of course and is not typical of every bikers experience, I guess I just seem to attract dickheads :roll:

I have been turned right on, by peeps on phones, been down to 30mph in 60`s by the same, had peeps just pull over in unsafe places to answer their phones and brake suddenly, they are a menace, there is no consideration shown, it is most discourteous and dangerous.

[landraver]

I agree with you that people using mobiles whilst driving are a menace & deserve to get pulled & prosecuted, but personally I have never seen any relationship between 4x4's & phone use, so I have to argue "our" side as 4x4 drivers seem to be the brunt of many unjust allegations at present.

Jeff

[att]

It may suprise you, but I have owned 4X4`s since I was 20.
I have also had 6X6 US Military trucks.
I currently own a Nissan Navara kingcab pick up.
I do though, have to say that most of the stuff levelled at the average 4X4 driver is true.
We are fortunate here, in this forum, that we are enthusiasts and actually use them for what they are intended.
My mind is open to all criticism, it has to be, to enable a degree of structured debate and some sort of challenge to take place to the peeps that would like to see them banned.

[ritchiea2005]

To be fair you wouldnt hear your phone ring in mine

[landraver]

But are you seriously saying that because someone drives a vehicle which has drive to all four wheels instead of just the two, they are more likely to use a mobile phone whilst driving?

[gords]

Statistics can be used to prove anything ...  :roll:

I find that you only "see" the outstanding things - before I had, or was interested in, a Discovery I hardly ever saw any 4x4s. As soon as I wanted one and since I've had one, I see them all the time!

How many times have you seen a driver singing along to the radio? Are they paying full attention to the road? Should radios, cd players, etc be banned?

I have a Discovery and my wife has a Sharan (people carrier). Both have fully fitted hands free phone kits. Am I "much more likely" to talk on the phone and have/cause an accident in one car more than the other? If so, which one and why?

This is just more of the usual bandwagon bullshit IMHO

[Elmo]

Bad driving is simply that - whether affected by mobile phones, hairbrushes or whatever. There are no excuses.

As a counterpoint, here in rural Shropshire I would estimate 75% of people spend the majority of their time in a 4x4 of some description and I bet our accident figures are better than most. So are "most" 4x4 drivers inattentive? I would humbly suggest not.

[V8MoneyPit]

 Did anybody else hear on the radio today a news item saying because people with 4x4 believe there motors are safer to drive we are more likely to use a mobile phone while driving :shock:

So what about Volvo's, Saab's and others that are misguidedly perceived as 'safe'? Another case of targetting 4x4's because it is easy to isolate them from the masses, me thinks.

[Karen696]

The worst culprits for using mobiles on the road (in Black Country / Birmingham area) are the 'white van man' types.  Their driving is bl***y dangerous at the best of times - there should be a device fitted to vehicles to block the signal.  Even with a hands free it means your attention is 'elsewhere'.

I ride a bike, I drive a 'car' and I drive a 4x4, I DON'T use the phone whilst in control of a vehicle.  As easy as that.

Its an offence to use one, but how many people do you see using them? LOADS, why do you see people using them? because the police don't enforce the law.

Speed cameras can only catch speeders, what is needed is more traffic cops - willing to enforce the 'little' laws.

[jjsaul]

i havnt had chance to read all the posts...but in my opinion there is a difference between using a phone round town and crusing on a motorway.

round town there is far more chance someone will pull out / step out in front of you and you may need both hands on the wheel for a sudden maneouvre, on a motorway / dual carriageway your line of vision is much further and are more likely to see something happen well in advance.
i say this on the idea of driving an automatic (which i do)....you dont use your left hand for anything really anyway other than playing with the radio!

[Stormin]

T'Other Arf heard this and told me about it.  We would say it's mostly young female drivers who use a mobile while driving, followed by WVM  and HGV's.  The boy racers wouldn't hear a phone, or anything else, due to the thumping racket from their stereos.  :roll:  I'd like to get all the ban this, that and the other brigade, along with the PC trouble makers and do gooders and banish THEM to some remote island away from normal, sensible people.  

[James.Harwood]

How am i supposed to use it when I can't even here it ring in the Landrover.

Been involved in countless discutions regarding mobile phones and driving.

Would only ever use one hands free and only if urgent.