MAMs & trainweights etc

[rangerider]

Anybody got a user book to hand who could tell me the various weight combos for a 5seat 3 door 200tdi?

Specifically kerb weight, max vehicle gross, I am guessing that like most landies the max trailer weight is artificially capped at 3000 kgs.

I need to figure it all out for a new licence holder towing, and the rules on that are so darn complex now it is pretty silly

[dave_2A_2.25Turbo]

As it happens....

Max EEC kerb weight:

2080kg (3 dr)
2110kg (5dr)

Gross Vehicle Weight:

2720Kg

Towing Weights (On/Offroad)(Kg)

     Unbraked trailers:            750/500
     Overrun braked:              3500/1000
     4 wheel, coupled brakes:  4000/1000

[rangerider]

cheers for that, means its going to have to be a real lightwieght caravan to keep it legal for all drivers unfortunately.

[Paul.K/LuckyTrucker]

Hi there, the maximum towing weight of a trailer with over-run brakes behind a Disco is 3,500kgs. With linked brakes it is something like 4,400kgs. I don't know anything about the new laws with regards new drivers except that they now have to take a test but I would of thought any caravan would be within the limits. It is only when you start talking plant trailers and the like where the weights become really heavy.

[rangerider]

Well, its mighty complex....... there are certain things that can be done without taking a +E (with trailer) test.

To get away without the extra test.

the trailer must not wiegh more than the kerbweight of the tow vehicle

and

if the max gross weight of the trailer exceeds 750kg it must be braked

and

The combined Max train weight (Max vehicle gross + Max trailer gross) must not exceed 3500kgs.

All of which basically means it has to be a damn lightweight caravan to come in under the 780KGs before the max train weight exceeds the 3500 kilo limit with the disco as the tow vehicle. (my last van a sprite maxed out at 1120 kgs)

Might have to get the trooper fixed up after all as that has a max vehicle weight of 2300kgs that leaves a lot more room to play around with wobbly box weights.

disclaimer - this is a simplified description of MY interpretation of the law, research is suggested rather than taking my word for anything :)

[Paul.K/LuckyTrucker]

Hi there, the simple solution obviously is to take the test. I know it is easy for me to say being an old git and not having to take one because of my age but I have passed a Class 1 HGV test.

After 25 years of proffesional driving I had the chance to do the Institute of Advanced Motorists test and I learnt plenty. If you were to take the towing test I am sure you will benefit

[Bush Tucker Man]

For What It's Worth.

Don't even think about taking it up to 4,000KG, as the cost of alterations to the braking system will render it prohibitively expensive.
(or complicatd if done with used bits, then your insurance company may not even entertain such changes?)

Land Rover charged over £4,000 for coupled (air) brakes in my 2001 copy of the Special Vehicles  brochure & price-list

Plus 'performance' will be glacial

[rangerider]

unfortunately missus hates towing (& cant drive for toffee without a box behind) and time and money for takin a +E test are as always an issue, especially as having decided its worth going the whole hog and getting c+e and being able to drive practically anything rather than just settling for b+e

[mmgemini]

AFAIK the max a new driver can tow behind any Land Rover vehicle is 750kg.

[Wireless]

unfortunately missus hates towing (& cant drive for toffee without a box behind) and time and money for takin a +E test are as always an issue, especially as having decided its worth going the whole hog and getting c+e and being able to drive practically anything rather than just settling for b+e

Expensive...unless you meant C1+E?

The new rules for Driving Licences are a minefield.

My licence has the following:

A
B
BE
B1
C
CE
C1E
D1
D1E
f k l n p

I did off-road Driving Courses with the Army, an Ambulance Driving Course with the NHS, passed a ROSPA Advanced Driving Test at Advanced Level, and undertook Fast Response Emergency Journeys for the Ambulance Service as a Paramedic, before I had to retire on health grounds.

I have been thinking about becoming a Driving Instructor, although I'd eventually want to concentrate on teaching Advanced Driving Techniques.

Mmm...I might one day!

[rangerider]

Nope, full on cat C+E, then I can drive almost any wheeled vehicle combination:) One of the many plans for the future involve an ex-mod bedford with a trailer so C1+E would not suffice.

the cost difference round here between going the C route & the C1 route is negligble, so might as well go all the way should I decide to try take up driving for a living when I finally get sick of the boss here :)

[Wireless]

Nope, full on cat C+E, then I can drive almost any wheeled vehicle combination:) One of the many plans for the future involve an ex-mod bedford with a trailer so C1+E would not suffice.

the cost difference round here between going the C route & the C1 route is negligble, so might as well go all the way should I decide to try take up driving for a living when I finally get sick of the boss here :)

Yeah if it's the same sort of cost for driver training near you for either, then C+E is a much better deal.

Go for it!