Bio Diesel............ ............................TOP STUFF

[AbyssDJ]

ok this has been confusing me for a while now, so someone educate me -

what is best to run my 200tdi on other than diesel, and what do i need to do it? where can i get the stuff to run it/the stuff i'd need from, and how much for?

[Miniman]

Right if you look down the post at my posts somwhere I posted a website which tells you where to buy the stuff. They refer to the fuel in % so if ya see 5% drive away....he he. you want 80% or like me 100%. I use a place in Burnley Lancashire Its price is 88p a liter. Have a search on the internet for places which sell it in your area. All you need to put in ya search is something like BioDiesel and the area you live in. The stuff is brill. I cant tell people how good it is. At first you will notice a drop in power when ya first use it. But after you have used about Half a tank you will find it is running alot better. I run only on the stuff now. If I go away I usualy take a barrel full with me. I am off up to DrumClog on the 28TH september and I will be taking 2 barrels with me. I probably get about 60 to 70 miles more out of a full tank now. It was Very thirsty on normal Diesel. As you run on the stuff it cleans out your fuel system so after a while may be 2 months depends on how many miles you do you will have to change your Fuel Filter.

Just found this have a read....

Why use biodiesel?

Biodiesel has been demonstrated to have significant environmental benefits in terms of decreased global warming impact , reduced emission , greater energy independence and a positive impact on agriculture .

Various studies have estimated that the use of 1 kg of biodiesel leads to the reduction of some 3 kg of CO 2. Biodiesel is extremely low in sulphur and has a high lubricity and fast biodegradability. These are all advantages which have been confirmed by the Auto Oil II programme.

Increased use of biodiesel in Europe represents an important step for the European Union in meeting its emission reduction target as agreed under the Kyoto agreement. It is believed that reducing emission also alleviates various human health problems.

In specific cases, used vegetable oils can be recycled as feedstock for biodiesel production. This can reduce the disposal of used oils in the environment.

Biodiesel production also plays a useful role in agriculture. Under the current Common Agricultural Policy, the arable raw materials needed for biodiesel production may be grown on set-aside land which would otherwise be taken out of production.

[muddysteve]

£1.72 a litre by mail order  :shock:

think i'll stick to dino juice

[Miniman]

Oh you found the website. He He. Na some places sell it from the pump like the place I buy it from. You can take Drums or a big Tank to them and they will fill that for ya aswell at 88p per liter. That website you was looking at you failed to mention its Mail Order......

[Jim-Willy]

90.9 at my nearest place, not gono bother...... :shock:

[extreme90]

The big question is. Does he pay the tax for you or are ya just getting it tax free. If ya getting it tax free then if ya get pulled you will be done just like you was running red diesel. Always get a recipt.

nope tax payed, fully lagit, do you really think i would risk my land rover getting crushed by using summat that isnt lagit, ie red diesel or central heating oil.
simply isnt worth the risk !!
and im asking all you out there that ARE running with red in, cos there bound be a few on this forum (but dont say anythin)........ is it worth the risk !
danny
o and on a brighter note..... i got 32.6 mpg on way ome from wales with 35 in simex on  :twisted:  im well chuffed
darent have even looked at the figures  a couple of months ago

[snezza69]

I would use it if I did'nt get my Diesel at about 65p a litre

[snezza69]

Legit that is too!

[strangerover]

In Liverpool (were I am) there are 3 outlets for Bio that I'm aware of!

78.9p a litre

regular diesel is 94.9p

Not all engines are suitable for Bio Diesel....  my Company car a toyota had its injectors knackered by it after just 3 tanks over 4 months !!!!

Its not true that bio is a better lubricant per se, as thats what the problem is with some common rail diesel engines the bio can lubricate at high pressures.

Still in my 200TDi or a 300TDi I'd use it as it seems to work better but on some older engines it may not be good long term as there is no sulphur in it and that gets used for lubricant.

[Miniman]

This is just what this post needs your figures and ideas.

[extreme90]

would the bio screw up a 300 disco, the very late 300's with the leccy injector things (dont do 300's if u already aint guessed lol, more 200 man )
me grandad itchin 2put sum in but im stopping him, cuz if it goes T**** up i gotta fix it
danny

[strangerover]

I know people who use Bio from a pump in a 300 Disco with no problems.

I thought all pre TD5 engines had a "old fashioned" diesel pump i.e. a mechanical pump that directs fuel to the engine ???
that were driven by the cambelt ........

http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/approvals.htm

this link may help on technical side of things...

remember that Pump Bio is made to ISO and is a world away from DIY Veg oil....

[extreme90]

o what the hell, worst that can happen is it wont run  :lol:

[AbyssDJ]

the only thing that sways me is, if i put biodiesel in, when i need to use regular diesel at some point (inevitable - we can only put 20 quid in our tank at the mo :() then ill have to fart about with the filter again?

i doubt biodiesel pumps are easy to find in the first place, nevermind when you're about to run out in the middle of the night!!!!

just makes me question, is it worth it for a saving of a few pennies?

[strangerover]

there is no problem using bio and normal,

The reason they say to change the filter is the first time you use it the Bio has a serious cleaning effect on the fuel system and all sorts of crud comes out.

After that its no problem, I use Bio most of the time as I have a garage just down the road, but when I'm out and about I just use what ever is at hand normaly Derv.

Using pump Bio in a 200TDi or 300TDi is fine, no problem at all and worth it ! better MPG, cleaner emissions amd quieter... oh and a nice burger van smell for the exhaust !

BTW as for worst that can happen... in the case of my company car £3500 of engine damage... not the engine its self all the fuel system ! but that will not happen to a "basic" land rover engine.

[Miniman]

Yes he is right. There are certain vehicles which use some sort of synthetic rubber seal in the injector pump and fuel delivery pump. As for where £3500 came from I would like to see the bill. Also I was earlyer on about the fuel freezing in winter which I would think they was on about SVO ( USED CHIPPY OIL ). My fuel is rapeseed and they buy it in NEW.
Biodiesel made from a Rapeseed crop (RME) will not freeze and can be used at 100% all year round in the UK.

[extreme90]

what vehical, you could get a new engine for that much  :shock:
doesnt matter if it goes kaput anyhows..... as ill kindy buy it at a discounted price as its a non runner, n fit it in mine  :twisted:

[Miniman]

So so far
2.25 D
2.5 D
2.5 TD
200 TDI
300 TDI

All run fine on the stuff oh yeh and the perkins 4203s aswell...he he

[extreme90]

i wounder if i could convice this guy hu i h8, to try his td5 onit  :lol:
or is that way to cruel ?
he got more money than brains btw !
2 td5 90's and 1 td5 disco 4 mrs

[Miniman]

I think you be supprised it will run on it but yes do it.... he can be our test goat....hehe....

[extreme90]

your on   :twisted:
will post results  :twisted:
he always complaining about fuel prices !!

[strangerover]

what vehical, you could get a new engine for that much  :shock:
doesnt matter if it goes kaput anyhows..... as ill kindy buy it at a discounted price as its a non runner, n fit it in mine  :twisted:

Well it was my 18 month old Company car...

4 x injectors for a Toyota Avensis D4D apparently £1200 worth !!!
then 12 hours labour + all other bits.....

The joys of Toyota.... lucky for me I was able to prove I had asked the garage before I used it they said "should be OK" they now say "NO WAY" but as I pointed out when I first asked no one had a clue !

But yes its the rubber used in the system that causes the problem Bio diesel disolves it !

[rollazuki]

Have seen first hand that many modern engines wont run on bio(I work in a Toyota Garage(also Hyundai experience))
If its direct injection, Id say forget it.
Its not a case of it'll just stop, its a new lift pump, high pressure pump, injectors...blah blah blah.
These prices you have been given for injectors etc sound about right, theyre expensive beasts these days.
Has anyone on here tried blending straight veg oil(svo) or waste veg oil(wvo) with regular diesel(paying tax of course...)
or using a single or double tank with heaters etc????

Im wondering about blending a little svo with diesel on fill ups, having got a tax cert from C&E first.....

[barmiebrumie]

Can anyone tell me where I can apply for the correct form for using or making my own svo  :?: , as I would like to pay my tax's :shock:


Thanks in advance,  John.

[smo]

If anyone does know of people running TD5's on 100% Bio then please let me know as i'm itching to try it but definatly not willing to be a test guneapig!!

[Miniman]

Yes fella I used to mix my Morrisions veg oil with diesel at a 50% / 50% mix. But I now just run on the proper stuff from the pump. Not even mixed it as yet with proper diesel but it mixes fine anyway.....yes its not a problem I can give you a 100% YES on mixing it.....


ANYBODY USED BIODIESEL ON A TD5

[defuzz]

Has anyone on here tried blending straight veg oil(svo) or waste veg oil(wvo) with regular diesel(paying tax of course...)
or using a single or double tank with heaters etc????

Im wondering about blending a little svo with diesel on fill ups, having got a tax cert from C&E first.....

I've done plenty of internet research and am now running my 200TDi on DERV + veg oil.  Currently only on 10% veg but I will be working my way up to about 50%, already feels smoother (though that could be wishful thinking on my part) and a subtle chippy smell.

and YES, I'm registered with the HMRC chaps so I can pay tax every month on it.




Only prob now is finding good cheap veg oil.  THe cheapest I've found is about 54p in supermarkets.  I'm trying to get a collegue of mine involved as he has the facilities (barn) to filter waste veg oil (hes got a 300tdi and an old Mercedes which can run on 100% veg oil)

[barmiebrumie]

Has anyone on here tried blending straight veg oil(svo) or waste veg oil(wvo) with regular diesel(paying tax of course...)
or using a single or double tank with heaters etc????

Im wondering about blending a little svo with diesel on fill ups, having got a tax cert from C&E first.....

I've done plenty of internet research and am now running my 200TDi on DERV + veg oil.  Currently only on 10% veg but I will be working my way up to about 50%, already feels smoother (though that could be wishful thinking on my part) and a subtle chippy smell.

and YES, I'm registered with the HMRC chaps so I can pay tax every month on it.

I WANT to pay my tax as well can you tell me how to get the relavant forms & where from,


Thanks John.

[Miniman]

He He starange how nobody can tell you. LMAO..... Just search the net mate you7 got it in front of you. Just type in HM Customs and excise bio diesel.

[defuzz]

some good advice here: http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm


I'll try and find some other links, I found a copy of the form online a while ago.  YOu just send off the form, they send a confirmation, then they send you a form every month for you to declare how much you've used and send it back with a cheque.  You need to keep receipts for the oil you use for 6 years though!!