Bio Diesel............ ............................TOP STUFF

[Miniman]

Here ya go.....have a look at this.

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_PROD1_024771&propertyType=document

[Horness]

Can anyone tell me where I can apply for the correct form for using or making my own svo  :?: , as I would like to pay my tax's :shock:


Thanks in advance,  John.

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John - if you do start making it with success let me know.  I don't have the room to make it myself, but would be happy to buy it from someone locally on a regular basis as there are no garages selling it around here (Redditch).

Horness

[blade]

here you go all you need to know regarding customs
200tdi 1/2 tank diesel 1/2 tank veg oil bounce over some speed ramps mixed job done 5000 miles no probs


http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_001138&propertyType=document

[Miniman]

Wish mine would do 5000miles on a full tank of 50/50 mix.....something must be wrong with my engine.....LMAO

[defuzz]

lots more good info here:

http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=20

[rollazuki]

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000205&propertyType=document#downloadopt



try this link to hmrc biofuels page

[barmiebrumie]

On the phone as I type & have been for the last hour & still not got any where,

All I want is a form :twisted: ,


1 hour & twenty min's & a form is on it's way but will be at least a week as they are very busy at the mo withnmlot's of people apply for using biofuel :shock:




John.

[rollazuki]

You need form EX103 to register as a biofuel producer
Even if mixing veg oil etc





Just ordered mine, on its way.......

[barmiebrumie]

was editing as you posted that ex103 is on its way down south,



john.

[Miniman]

This is what I like to see ppl who can be bothered to produce there own fuel. Just think when ya driving down the road you will be driving in a cleaner 4x4xfar....hehe

Ya will save ya self a packet.....

[unknownmanxman]

Well just tanked up with Bio. Another tank happily used! My bio is made from WVO, so i was worried about it waxing in the colder months, so i was going to mix it with 5% diesel as diesel waxes at a lower temp than bio, and in winter the fuel companies legally have to add things to the diesel to lower the waxing temp even further! But do you reckon you could get away with mixing it with red?

Im not saying you should try this, but i started out with bio by using a 70% central heating oil 30% veg oil (from the cash and carry) mix.
 Central heating oil is cheaper than diesel, but doesnt have the lubricating properties of diesel, so you add the veg oil to get that back! I did that once, then went on to the real stuff!

[Miniman]

For off road use mate thats a brill idea.... So what ya tanked it up in ya TD5 or 200TDi

[smo]

Using Red diesel or heating oil in your vehicle on the road is a really bad idea. As you are not paying duty on it if you get caught then you lose your vehicle, get fined and no end of trouble.

Red diesel also stains the fuel system, so even one use will show residual markings and chemicals getting you into trouble.

[unknownmanxman]

I just tanked up the 200tdi, im not brave enough to try the td5  :D

Yes, red does stain the fuel system.. But consider this.. the cleaning power of bio-diesel is very strong, will it allow the red diesel to stain the system?

Also, running a 5% red diesel to 95% bio, thats a really small percentage, so i dont think it will stain the system.

Your quite right smo, running central heating oil is illegal to run on the road, but is it illegal if you run it with a mix of veg oil and call it bio diesel? Im only guessing, i dont know  :?

But as MiniMan says, it wouldnt bother anyone if you just used it off road!

[extreme90]

yes itll still be illegal !! so dont try it non of you  :shock:
red or heating oil !!
even mixed in very small quantitys , if vosa pull you in LIKE ME ( saw a land rover........haha bound b summat wrong with that they thought !! NO actualy lol )
anhows...
red and heating oil both have a genetic code.a barcode as such... microscopic and when they dip your tank theyll pic up on the genetic codes and properties viscosity ect ect more complexed than that.......and they'll do you !!

ino cos me boss is being dun for central heating oil  :lol:

3000 grand in back duty ect ect and the case still goes on 6 month later
end of the day its not worth it !
so stay on bio and all u td5s  :lol:  norm derv  :twisted:  

danny

[Miniman]

Just out of interest they dont dip you anymore one talks to you whilst the other sticks a probe up ya exhaust tested in 5 seconds. If ya running red ya car is taken off ya.....or even Bio if ya not paid the duty. Keep your receipts...

Alot quicker than the old way......

[extreme90]

unless sum 1 snitches ya, then they dip you at 5 oclock in the morning  

when they pulled me in, they dipped my tank !

i was a complete n utter T*** tho, i wouldnt et them at 1st
asked for the statuary procedure...... if they dont follow this then the findings are voide
just waist there time a little i thought...since they waisting mine  :twisted:

ooooo and also........... did you all know that no 1 can upose a fine on you ?
only a court of law can !!
as stated in the constitution
do a little research like me    
but no one ever challenges any one, make it hard for them if they want take money off you
also, heres 1 4 ya ....... when its time to tax your car..land rover...ect ect
declair it as sorn 5 working days before expiery..... and then tax it on the day it expires..... messes the system up    cost them alot of time  :twisted:
and costs you sod all cos its a pre paid envalope  :lol:

off the subject ino, but its true
as proven by me :D
no parking fine......got away scott free, musta cost them about 300 quid to take 50 quid off me, but in end cost them 350 quid :D all for standing up to your rights

[unknownmanxman]

Ahhh, you see i didnt know that! Police over here arent the nasty people that you have in the UK!

[smo]

Ahhh, you see i didnt know that! Police over here arent the nasty people that you have in the UK!

Its VOSA who "dip test", and they are just as nasty on IOM as over here. There was a chap last year from memory on LRUK who got done for using RED in his LR over on IOM.

As for using ti offroad, as has been said - dont bother if you use it on road, as they dont differnetiate between the two without serious proof, which you wont have. If you want to run red offroad then you need a completely seperate fuel tank and system (filter/pump) etc and even then you'd have a job making them believe you.

[extreme90]

Ahhh, you see i didnt know that! Police over here arent the nasty people that you have in the UK!

can we swop  :lol:

[unknownmanxman]

Hehe, Ive only seen one vehicle tested for red diesel in 7 years! They usually appear round the farmers market, but dont seem to do anything!

But, like you say, it is totally illegal.. I just depends how smart you are i spose.

[rollazuki]

10% veg and 90% diesel. Runs great, saved the recipts for paying duty, car smells like hot chip fat, cold starts great, runs great, I can tell no difference other than the smell.

Gonna up to 15% next fill up, then mebbe 20%.

Not economical at the mo, cause with duty Im gonna be paying the same sorta cost, but I know Im greener.
BUT, When I get a source for used veg oil, and filter and run that, Im gonna be onto a saving.

Vehicle has a Isuzu 1.7 Tdi motor(aka vauxhall astra/cavalier etc) with a Bosch diesel injection pump.

At 125 miles per week, Im gonna be a lot greener , and maybe a bit richer.

[Miniman]

At first I used to go to morrisons and buy 3 3Liter bottles throw that in the tank and then go to the fuel station and bang £20 in. Run like a dream and saved me the earth. I now have a proper blend from the pump which is 100% Rapeseed Oil which is supposed to be the best on the market and yep it is if ya ask me....

[Guardian.]

just aquick tip mate. never use used oil, you will never in a million years clean it enough so its useable unless you have the correct equiptment, that im sure you dont have!
buy new!

[rollazuki]

I thought if it was filtered to 10 microns, and left to settle/dried, it was ok?

Im guessing some form of pumped/powered filter would be needed really, gravity would be a long shot I guess.

Anyone got a good supplier/cost for oil, or do I just wait for Morrisons to have a 3 for 2 offer :lol:

[barmiebrumie]

Costco are doing at about 45p a ltr, comes in 20 ltr tin's I think,


John.

[Miniman]

just aquick tip mate. never use used oil, you will never in a million years clean it enough so its useable unless you have the correct equiptment, that im sure you dont have!
buy new!

I second that. Its a filter once whilst warm then settle then filter again. I personaly would filter it a few times..... I have tryed but found Fuel filters needed buy the dozon...he he. You the correct gear if ya going to do old oil.....

[unknownmanxman]

The thing with used vegatable that it has fat and sugars (glycerin mainly) in it that have to be taken out otherwise they leave nasty things in your engine!

The fats have to be emulsified and taken out..

[strangerover]

The problem with used is not the particle size...

The used oil has water sugars and starches in

when you use the correct processing equipment you get loads of water and glycerine out.

I would not use used oil full stop without processing it to remove the water etc.....

[Eeyore]

But, like you say, it is totally illegal.. I just depends how smart you are i spose.

As you say, it's totally illegal. The smart thing to do therefore, is not to do it.  

cheers
 8)
Eeyore