specs on 2.5 td j19

[bezzabsa]

ok, so how often does oil / filters etc have to be changed(or how often should i change it if i want to keep it sweet)
whats the best oil to use?
and is it worth draining the gearbox and refilling?

[dew1911]

We were told every 5k miles for fluids, not filters every time though. They take 5W 40 in the Engine, ATF Fluid in Gearbox, EP90 in the gearbox and Diffs.

Basically just keep your eye on it, you'll find they are a fine engine when well looked after.

[bezzabsa]

5w in engine? seem a little thin!!
then again probably not a bad thing with a turbo!
been looking today - and im seriously thinking of fitting some sort of interco0oler on turbo.....surely someone has tried / succeeded in doing this??

[davidlandy]

best advice is to keep a look out for a cheap 200tdi engine, probably from a disco.  The 19J aint for tinkering.

We just fitted one to my bro in laws 19j 90 and what a difference it made! its a flying machine (well sort of as landrovers go)

he paid £700 for the donor disco and had to buy and exhaust downpipe and that was it.

he has recovered about £300 so far from selling bits off the disco.

[bezzabsa]

thought the turbo was in a dodgy place if you used a disco engine?
any pix?

[davidlandy]

the turbo IS in a dodgy position as it is so low down - very close to the bulkhead but is still very do'able. We got a downpipe from Steve Parker Land rovers. then had to chop out a section of the inner wing so that the turbo pipe could have some room.

It will be a nightmare to replace the starter motor!

will get some pics at some stage and post them.

[dew1911]

Meant 15W 40 Sorry - Damn Batteries going in the keyboard and it misses letters like crazy.

[bezzabsa]

phew  :D
got me going there

[Porny]

bezzabsa,

There are two types of 19J engine... good or bad.

The most common is the bad variety, however there are a few good'uns, and yours doesn't sound too bad at all.

Intercooler wise....

The neatest way using standard bits is to fit the intercooler and radiator set up off a 200Tdi Defender - means you can use standard pipework (esp. if you change the inlet manifold to a 200Tdi one).  But to find these bits is very difficult.

The other option is an aftermarket kit... I know Allisport do a kit, but it isn't that cheap - see here - http://www.allisport.com/cooler_detail.php?cat_id=1&product_id=9

The other option is finding something in the scrap yard and making it fit!!


Fitting an intercooler will 'in theory' actually prolong the like of your Td - as mentioned on the Allisport site, will help to reduce thermal stresses.


Servicing wise, I'd used to change the engine oil and filter every 4000 miles on mine (have done with all my Diesel Land Rovers) - and there is no point in changing the oil, and not changing the filter.

I used to change the fuel filter every 4000 too... as they are not very expensive.  (but I get filters trade price...)

Air filter I used to change every 4000 too... only because mine used to blow a very small amount of oil back in to the filter - td are very prone to doing this.  If yours stays clean, just change it every 6000 miles.


200Tdi conversion is definitely the way to go in the long term...

Although cheaper, I'm not really a fan of fitting the Disco version of the engine into a Defender - I haven't seen one that has been done neatly yet.

The other problem is that all the intercooler and coolant pipe work has to be modified to fit... meaning that nothing is off the shelf.

And then there is the exhaust... the Steve Parker pipe is expensive, and not even that neat IMHO.

I'd rather spend a bit more money and get a proper Defender spec 200Tdi and do a proper 'as factory' conversion.  This means all the pipe work etc etc is off the shelf, and replacements can be easily found.

I reckon a proper conversion is also easier to sell and will add value to your vehicle, I'd much rather buy a proper conversion, that some bodies botched up Disco conversion.  

Also fitting a Defender spec engine is completely straight forward and no effort/hassle... and IMO worth the extra few hundred quid over fitting the Disco type.

A defender spec 200Tdi conversion will also be less hassle come insurance time.


Apologies to anyone who has fitted the Disco spec engine and disagrees with me, but all of this is just my opinion.


Ian

[bezzabsa]

bezzabsa,

There are two types of 19J engine... good or bad.

The most common is the bad variety, however there are a few good'uns, and yours doesn't sound too bad at all.

Ian

Thats always nice to know ... just throwing things about at the moment - if a 200 defender engine appears at the right time - then who knows :D:D:D:D
happy enough with the td for the time being - and Ian . that pipe you said looked a little squashed - it is, but i may be able to get some stainless made up to fit.. should cure that little quirk

[davidlandy]

200Tdi conversion is definitely the way to go in the long term...

Although cheaper, I'm not really a fan of fitting the Disco version of the engine into a Defender - I haven't seen one that has been done neatly yet.

The other problem is that all the intercooler and coolant pipe work has to be modified to fit... meaning that nothing is off the shelf.

And then there is the exhaust... the Steve Parker pipe is expensive, and not even that neat IMHO.

I'd rather spend a bit more money and get a proper Defender spec 200Tdi and do a proper 'as factory' conversion.  This means all the pipe work etc etc is off the shelf, and replacements can be easily found.

I reckon a proper conversion is also easier to sell and will add value to your vehicle, I'd much rather buy a proper conversion, that some bodies botched up Disco conversion.  

Also fitting a Defender spec engine is completely straight forward and no effort/hassle... and IMO worth the extra few hundred quid over fitting the Disco type.

A defender spec 200Tdi conversion will also be less hassle come insurance time.

Apologies to anyone who has fitted the Disco spec engine and disagrees with me, but all of this is just my opinion.

Ian

I disagree with you Ian  

there is nothing wrong with fitting a disco 200tdi - but  the key factor here is the absence of defender 200s make the disco way the cheapest way to go all things considered and for many its the only option thats worthwhile.

the Steve Parker downpipe was tidy , and I certainley havent seen a better one available to buy.

If you go the 'full factory' route to covert then you would be better off using the money to buy a complete 300tdi defender.

Be realistic Ian!

[Xtremeteam]

200Tdi conversion is definitely the way to go in the long term...

Although cheaper, I'm not really a fan of fitting the Disco version of the engine into a Defender - I haven't seen one that has been done neatly yet.

The other problem is that all the intercooler and coolant pipe work has to be modified to fit... meaning that nothing is off the shelf.

And then there is the exhaust... the Steve Parker pipe is expensive, and not even that neat IMHO.

I'd rather spend a bit more money and get a proper Defender spec 200Tdi and do a proper 'as factory' conversion.  This means all the pipe work etc etc is off the shelf, and replacements can be easily found.

I reckon a proper conversion is also easier to sell and will add value to your vehicle, I'd much rather buy a proper conversion, that some bodies botched up Disco conversion.  

Also fitting a Defender spec engine is completely straight forward and no effort/hassle... and IMO worth the extra few hundred quid over fitting the Disco type.

A defender spec 200Tdi conversion will also be less hassle come insurance time.

Apologies to anyone who has fitted the Disco spec engine and disagrees with me, but all of this is just my opinion.

Ian

I disagree with you Ian  

there is nothing wrong with fitting a disco 200tdi - but  the key factor here is the absence of defender 200s make the disco way the cheapest way to go all things considered and for many its the only option thats worthwhile.

the Steve Parker downpipe was tidy , and I certainley havent seen a better one available to buy.

If you go the 'full factory' route to covert then you would be better off using the money to buy a complete 300tdi defender.

Be realistic Ian!

gonn ahave to disagree with you aswell,sorry ian,

made the down pipe myself & looked factory fit along with the pipework,fair enough ive got a defender engine in there now but it was a neat job at the time & put it this way it was neater than ive seen specialists fit them  

[Porny]

 made the down pipe myself & looked factory fit along with the pipework,fair enough ive got a defender engine in there now but it was a neat job at the time & put it this way it was neater than ive seen specialists fit them  

Lets see pictures then.... I will quite happily be proved wrong    I reckon you could probably make a neat install with a bit of time and effort.... and careful selection of parts, but I haven't seen one - and I've seen some real bodge jobs when it comes to connecting things up!


Ian

[Porny]

I disagree with you Ian  

there is nothing wrong with fitting a disco 200tdi - but  the key factor here is the absence of defender 200s make the disco way the cheapest way to go all things considered and for many its the only option thats worthwhile.

the Steve Parker downpipe was tidy , and I certainley havent seen a better one available to buy.

If you go the 'full factory' route to covert then you would be better off using the money to buy a complete 300tdi defender.

Be realistic Ian!

I am being realistic, but it just depends on vehicle usage, and how long you plan to keep it etc etc.  I’m just considering the wider view…..

Going to a 300Tdi conversion causes quite a few problems too.


Back to the 200Tdi....

Maybe I'm just lazy, but I'd rather be able to go a main dealer/aftermarket and buy a coolant pipe (for example) that I can go home and fit... no fuss, job done.

Rather than having to go round scrap yards, or having to go out buy a couple of pipes, fit them together (trying to remember what you used the first time round) and hope they do the job.

In my book, the cost difference is off set by ease....  if you shop around you can get Defender 200Tdi engines, I admit not as cheaply... but then using the Disco engine also entails extra cost - one off pipe work, exhaust sections etc etc.

And the fact, if you were looking to buy a Land Rover, which would you rather buy:

A tidy looking, as per factory, 200Tdi conversion

Or a Disco engine version which has 5 million jubilee clips holding all the pipes together, some cobbled together air filter and an exhaust that means you've got no chance of getting any where near the starter motor.

- but if you plan on keeping your Land Rover for a long time, and don't ever plan on selling it, or if the Landy is just a cheap off roader then maybe this isn't a consideration.  


Ian

[Porny]

Talking of 200Tdi's..

Average price for a Disco engine seems to around the £500/£600/£700 mark, plus the hassle of fitting it, the cost of the exhaust pipe (£130??)....

So £800 plus time... (roughly)

Although if you buy a complete Disco, for say £1000 you will probably get some money back if you break it... but you've got the time and hassle etc etc and you need the space.

For a £1000 (give or take £100 or so) I can get Defender engines when they are avaliable.... complete with rads etc etc... all legit.  And you'll have it fitted in a weekend... no fuss, all standard parts.


Ian

[dew1911]

And while we leave the boys to squabble amongst themselves, let's check out a 3rd option.

If the TD engine is good (which it definatley sounds) then why bother changing it in the first place? You said yourself the TD will do so save several hundred pounds that you can spend on other, more essential mods ;).

Just my 0.02p anyway, no doubt someone will come along and warn you that you are about to die in TD Shrapnal if you don't change it NOW!

[bezzabsa]

just things that were banded about -and also if i keep the TD there are lots of people that dont like em - so the spares are cheap ;)

[dew1911]

just things that were banded about -and also if i keep the TD there are lots of people that dont like em - so the spares are cheap ;)

Indeed, the hatred of the TD has lead to two good things
1) The buggars are cheap
2) parts are cheap/easy.

Also, as I see it, if the TDs are soo bad, then why are there so many around for sale. Surley they would be all dead by now ;)

[Porny]

just things that were banded about -and also if i keep the TD there are lots of people that dont like em - so the spares are cheap ;)

Indeed, the hatred of the TD has lead to two good things
1) The buggars are cheap
2) parts are cheap/easy.

Also, as I see it, if the TDs are soo bad, then why are there so many around for sale. Surley they would be all dead by now ;)

Dew,

I've never said the TD is actually a bad engine... if you read my earlier post

There are two types of 19J engine... good or bad.

The most common is the bad variety, however there are a few good'uns, and yours doesn't sound too bad at all.

I'm actually a fan of the TD... mine was very good until it cracked a piston (or two).

Your reply is sort of ill informed though:

1) The buggars are cheap

They are cheap... really???
Recon they are not, and good second hand ones - at times - fetch surprising money.  The cheap ones that are usually for sale are cheap for a reason... i.e they are knackered!!!

They have a habit of cracking pistons, warping their heads and suffering from bad blow by.  They also like suffering from slit diaphragms in the injector pump, and running on their own oil (usually due to the bad blow by)
When they go wrong they are no cheaper to fix than any other engine.

2) parts are cheap/easy

Really???  New parts are just as expensive as any Tdi.  Second-hand parts might be more plentiful, but they all come off knackered engines... which usually means some of the parts aren't far from joining the scrap pile.

My Td was very good, would happily do 26/27mpg even with a roof rack, would pull 80/85mph on the flat and would start without a problem.

It was serviced every 4000 miles without fail, and didn't suffer blow by (only very slightly).... but then it started pressuring the header tank as if the head gasket was on the way out.  

When I took the head off, two of the pistons were badly cracked...

So instead of rebuilding the lump - needed a rebore ideally, new pistons etc etc it was quicker/easier to fit a 200Tdi.

I admit the Td was a good engine (mine was a LR recon) until it went wrong...

But by comparison a 200Tdi is completely different...
It's more refined, more powerful, quieter, easier to start (direct injection) and better on fuel.

If you've got a good Td keep it... but if it goes wrong bang, put in a Tdi - it will completely transform your car!!!



Ian

[bezzabsa]

well i put £20 in the 110 when i collected it, i have done 170 miles on that £20 (ok maybe a little more of the original too) but the 88 would have drained its tank by now.. and seeing as i have a bloody great Brownchurch heavy duty rack on the roof i dont think thats too bad.
I need too whip the glows out tho' as it does seem a little cold to start on a morning - even after having the glows on for 10 seconds (maybe they need longer?)
also going to whip the air filter out to have a nosey at - as i dont know when it was last serviced....does anyone recomend a good oil for the TD? (not the £40 stuff either :shock: )

[dew1911]

We use Morris Lubricants 15W 40 Semi Synthetic (Same stuff my dads DAFodil uses), couldn't comment on price as we get it in a 45 gallon drum.

[Steve ray]

My 2.5 TD runs pretty well (up on power compared to the 2.5na I used to have in the 90, 'til it split the block between no3 and no4)!

Just change the oil / filter every 6 months and a new air filter / fuel filter every year and I do less than 5K miles p.a.

Still reasonable off the mark, even runnning 33" wheels.

As for the availability of parts though - need new injection pumpo recently, had to wait weeks to get one! And no cheaper than other engines.