Winches Again

[Mudlark]

O.K.   I've had enough now.

In March the Scorpion racing Novice challenge starts again.  I will enter in a box standard 110 with the exception that I will fit some Cooper Discoverer S/T tyres.

You enter in your Japmobile.

The only reply needed is yes or no.

OK so we're looking at standard class

Single winch

No lockers unless supplied as standard

 :-k  :-k  :-k  :-k

Looks Like pistols at dawn to me - or should that be 4x4s

Japs against the Brits

[Range Rover Blues]

You've got a serious chip on your shoulder there mate, now I have nothing against jap 4x4 but you seem to have a bit of a problem with land rovers, did one bully you as a child :?:

[rollazuki]

Ah, what the hell, I hate Landies as well, the damn things always seem to be everywhere you look, no point challenging them......







Japanese trucks always come out on top






[demonic laughter]







Rolla :lol:

[Bulli]

on yours mate the jap truck is on top.....of the landrover axles.....and i would say little else left bar the chassis and bodywork has anything to do with suzuki

Hey i RRB i never had a go at him

Dont get me wrong i do think Mitsubishi make great stuff but why all the Landrover hostility. BTW if you look at the challenge scene there are loads of people who think outside the box. Without these guys and im not just talking here there would be little innovation and forward momentum in the 4x4 world. They arent sheep who simply follow without looking carefully
There is a twin motor winch on the market...why? Because people in the scene made one first. there are Landcrusiers , yamaha landrovers g wagons all sorts not just follow my leader landrovers.

[Mudlark]

You've got a serious chip on your shoulder there mate, now I have nothing against jap 4x4 but you seem to have a bit of a problem with land rovers, did one bully you as a child :?:

Actually I have nothing against Land-Rovers at all

What pi55es me off are people that think that Land-Rovers are the only thing that can do anything off-road and won't even consider what other vehicles could do.

[rollazuki]

I try to incorporporate as many makes,marques, and models in my vehicle so as not to offend anyone.

On the whole though, it takes the bad characteristics from each and usually breaks down................................ :roll:

[davidlandy]

You've got a serious chip on your shoulder there mate, now I have nothing against jap 4x4 but you seem to have a bit of a problem with land rovers, did one bully you as a child :?:

Actually I have nothing against Land-Rovers at all

What pi55es me off are people that think that Land-Rovers are the only thing that can do anything off-road and won't even consider what other vehicles could do.

if thats what u think then aim your critisms at those individuals, dont just generalise it at anybody who just happens to own a LR.

[Mudlark]

You've got a serious chip on your shoulder there mate, now I have nothing against jap 4x4 but you seem to have a bit of a problem with land rovers, did one bully you as a child :?:

Actually I have nothing against Land-Rovers at all

What pi55es me off are people that think that Land-Rovers are the only thing that can do anything off-road and won't even consider what other vehicles could do.

if thats what u think then aim your critisms at those individuals, dont just generalise it at anybody who just happens to own a LR.

I try not to be critical - all I write is my observations. I admit that sometimes I might say something, albeit tongue in cheek, that might seem to some to be disparaging toward Land-Rovers and the Land-Rover set, but I feel that it's no more than what I've, and many other non-Land-Rover drivers have to put up with, both on-line and off-road. :twisted:  :twisted:  :lol:  :lol:

My questions and comment's are serious attempts to gain information hopefully unbiased and sometimes I find it helps to play the devil's advocate in order to get people to express their opinion on a subject. If this offends then I'm sorry.

[rollazuki]

might seem to some to be disparaging toward Land-Rovers and the Land-Rover

Its cos theyre CR$P

[Range Rover Blues]

Japanese trucks always come out on top

Rolla :lol:

That's fortunate 'cos if they came out beneath one they'd get crushed :?

Anyway from what I've heard you're is on top of a Land Rover :P


Now I've been laning with Pajeros and Surf and I have a lot of respect for them, they are good trucks as are the Suzukis which let's face it are a very different approach to a 4x4 in terms of weight/strength etc but surely the fact that we all choose to modify means NONE of them are perfect :?:

[Mudlark]

Not being perfect is one of the biggest problems but perfect for what.

Thinking about it Jap machines have less work on them as they come with far more than the Land-Rover to conquer rough terrain

In theory a snorkle, decent tyres and a winch should be all you require on a Mitsi they've already thought about under protection and traction (to a limited degree)

One of the things that annoys me about Landies is the lack of strength in important places, Yes they are easy to replace in the field but isn't that just taking the pi55? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Bulli]

mitsi's do have all those feature and yes they are competent but it is one of those free to choose things. Ive seen the lanes in your gallaries and they are pleasant but dead easy. There are lanes in Derbyshire that would take see the shogun well and truly stuck , rear locker or not.
All have virtues both good and bad.
You seem to have this thing that LR break all the time. Mine has jsut killed its rad after 3 years of abuse. I did a rock crawl challenge last year and got away without any mechanical problems...it was a little more extreme than most trials.Thats the only problem i have had....
have a look at the piccies here,

http://www.frickley4x4.co.uk/83306.html

mines the disco not the jeep btw. He won with some great driving.

[winchman]

Back to winches
When did you last see a proper recovery truck using a chinese winch?
Come Up
Warn
Super winch ( Come up in a different colour)
Are all fitted as standard by most of the manufacturers of recovery and rescue vehicles, dose this tell you any thing????
I have lost count of the number of cheap winches scrapped due to breaking in the warrenty period that the seller would not honour.
You do get what you pay for.
Its not just the finish but the heat treatment of te gearbox, quality of seals, eficiency of the motor etc.
Your biggest problem will be water, the only way is to service it on a regular basis.

[rollazuki]

You got any idea where come-up winches are actually manufactured Winchman??




Taiwan!


Almost China aint it

[extreme90]

You've got a serious chip on your shoulder there mate, now I have nothing against jap 4x4 but you seem to have a bit of a problem with land rovers, did one bully you as a child :?:

Actually I have nothing against Land-Rovers at all

What pi55es me off are people that think that Land-Rovers are the only thing that can do anything off-road and won't even consider what other vehicles could do.

i h8 jap stuff,
but i must admit the dun up hilux mk3 are blinnin awesome in the mud
and also
i got a std paj 3 miles on a rockstrawn beach, when i say rocks, amean rocks !
did have to winch it alot with me 90 and use waffles, but it was a great day had lots of fun cos it was challenging, its easy peasy in mine, but a std paj diff story, i was well impressed with it
jus thought id mention it  :lol:
danny

[Mudlark]

mitsi's do have all those feature and yes they are competent but it is one of those free to choose things. Ive seen the lanes in your gallaries and they are pleasant but dead easy. There are lanes in Derbyshire that would take see the shogun well and truly stuck , rear locker or not.

That is one of the problems that we have down here not quite as bad as Salisbury Plains I suppose but pretty flat

All have virtues both good and bad.
You seem to have this thing that LR break all the time. Mine has jsut killed its rad after 3 years of abuse.

I don't know why - it could well be coincidence or bad operating but the first trial I went to someone had a diff go, the second was another diff and a transfer box, the third was a holed sump and either the rad or head gasket, the fourth was a half shaft. Plus I have seen three Rangies roll in the last 3 months. That's different people on each one not the same machine

However I know Mitsis are  supposedly reknowned for having a huge appitite for heads and head gaskets and gearbox input shafts apparently so

 I did a rock crawl challenge last year and got away without any mechanical problems...it was a little more extreme than most trials.Thats the only problem i have had....
have a look at the piccies here,

http://www.frickley4x4.co.uk/83306.html

mines the disco not the jeep btw. He won with some great driving.

That looks really good - love to give that a try - no chance around here though :(  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[winchman]

Come up winches are made in Taiwan, its near China but very different.
Come up are the only manufactures ( corect me if I am wrong) to manufacture to an ISO9001 Quality system, carry TUV approval and the Nowegen Shipping board aproval that I cant think of the name of.

Some one quoted cables and test certs.
A lot of the cheap stuff carries no test cert, you should get one for the winc and one for the cable.

Jap stuff v Land rovers
Both very good but different applications , my Spanish SJ would beat any similar spec Land rover or Jap mitsubishi etc, but it wont do 70 on the motorway or tow a caravan.
Wouldnt it be drab if we all liked the same car???

[Sharpshooter]

Winchman. Any idea of a good stockist of these Come Up winches. Are you saying they are good? :)

[Bulli]

Mudlark, there has only ever been one car DRIVE the frickley rock crawl.....and i own it

[Mudlark]

Winchman. Any idea of a good stockist of these Come Up winches. Are you saying they are good? :)

Try the 4x4 store Exeter - 01392 445 262 they also do Superwinch as well

Don't seem to have an active website though :(

[winchman]

I am biased as when I set up Winches International ( no longer trading)and was the North West agent for Come Up, I never had one warrenty claim from the Come Ups I sold
I spoke and visited and researched most manufacturers.
I got very little support from Superwinch, Warn took months to respond, Come Up arranged a meeting the same week, followed the following week by a visit to the UK importer and agent to see stock levels, recieve training for applications and repairs.
I did raise several issues re warrenty claims and faults and was shown how any potential problems are redesigned and addressed.
I was very impressed.
The best place to buy any brand of winch is PG winches in Cornwall, Phil & Nick have been in the bussines for a long time and provide very good service at a competative price. www.winchrepairs.co.uk
Look at the trading history of who you buy from, do they take credit cards (this is handy should you have a problem and they have shut up shop) whats the warrenty?
I stoped selling winches as it was becoming more and more difficult, no one wanted to pay for repairs, and a glut of cheap Kews,GEWs etc just started to come in to the UK, so a similar looking winch could be bought for half the price, but what people didnt see is the quality is not as good.
I was making more money with my engineering work so I went 100% to this.

[winchman]

http://www.winchrepairs.co.uk/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=1

Phils Recomended list

[Mudlark]

@ winchman are superwinch the old fairey manufacturers that were made in tavistock at one time?

[extreme90]

Winchman. Any idea of a good stockist of these Come Up winches. Are you saying they are good? :)

yea phil at pg winches
tell him danny (thebiggreenthing) sent u  
winchman it was me who said that the common winches ( warn, superwinch, comeup, milemarker) they do come with test certs for their wire rope, ive still got mine for the huskey and ep, ill try to get them scanned in and show you guys
but the chinese dont
danny

[extreme90]

o both phil and nick are x superwinch guys aswel
phils got a wealth of knowlage, me and him are very good friends we trade alot
danny

[winchman]

Bit before my time but I think Fairey where connected to Superwinch, Phil at PG has all the bits to fix them as he has them remanufactured

[Range Rover Blues]

However I know Mitsis are  supposedly reknowned for having a huge appitite for heads and head gaskets and gearbox input shafts apparently so

Well I think that has something to do with it, from my experience of Jap cars, if a head gasket goes it's time to bury it in a shallow grave quite honestly, the price of spares is a bit prohibitive whereas for a LR, well the stuff we use day in day out is cheap enough to upset even Ford owners and they think their parts are cheap.

V8 Head gasket set, all in £36

Disks, £12, vented disks £18

Wheel bearings £4 each or £7.50 for SKF ones.

That's another reason why so many challenge motors start off with a LR.

And another thing, most Jap 4x4 have led an easy life, more up kerb than off road untill they become cheap enough for us to play with, not so for a Land Rover, they genrally earn their keep.

Ours, well it was white, had no sunroof, no electric mirrors (even tough you can't buy them like that) starship mileage and needed a new interior when it was 3 years old.  Think police car
Now it's been an off-roader for about 14 years.  14 years as a TOY, I wouldn't expect a lot of foreign stuff to last 14 years in total.

[LOULA]

I am biased as when I set up Winches International ( no longer trading)and was the North West agent for Come Up, I never had one warrenty claim from the Come Ups I sold


Come up winches are available from Paida 4x4 click my link below

[Mudlark]

However I know Mitsis are  supposedly reknowned for having a huge appitite for heads and head gaskets and gearbox input shafts apparently so

Well I think that has something to do with it, from my experience of Jap cars, if a head gasket goes it's time to bury it in a shallow grave quite honestly, the price of spares is a bit prohibitive whereas for a LR, well the stuff we use day in day out is cheap enough to upset even Ford owners and they think their parts are cheap.

V8 Head gasket set, all in £36

Disks, £12, vented disks £18

Wheel bearings £4 each or £7.50 for SKF ones.

That's another reason why so many challenge motors start off with a LR.

And another thing, most Jap 4x4 have led an easy life, more up kerb than off road untill they become cheap enough for us to play with, not so for a Land Rover, they genrally earn their keep.

Ours, well it was white, had no sunroof, no electric mirrors (even tough you can't buy them like that) starship mileage and needed a new interior when it was 3 years old.  Think police car
Now it's been an off-roader for about 14 years.  14 years as a TOY, I wouldn't expect a lot of foreign stuff to last 14 years in total.

There is no problem getting cheap parts for a mitsi - if they wear out and very little of mine has worn out in the past 4 years - still haven't bought a set of front brake pads for it yet.

I don't think it matters what car you buy you are certainly going to get initial teething problems with them get them sorted properly and they last years.

Buy a knocked around heavily abused Land-Rover or any 4x4 if it comes  to that... Errrr..... no thanks one careful lady owner or one jap owner will do me. I prefer something that hasn't had the guts revved out of it to get sky under the wheels thank you #-o  #-o  #-o

[davidlandy]

no brake pads in 4 yrs - you clearly havent been using your motor hard enough ole chap  :!: