Help Me Crush My Range Rover

[drmike]

It's a pretty good wind up though. Of course if the 50 people already sponsoring the crushing would step forward then I'm sure we'd all join in ...

Mike

(I wish I had 50 mates as rich and dumb as that - all my mates are full of intellect and brains)

[Hamster]

Sure they are DrMike sure they are! All people with cash are dumb asses arent they - tell you what take your aeroflot flight over to some part of Eastern Europe and live in a nice socialist regime - and you and your 'intellectual mates' can all get on your hooch and philosophise and theorise till the cows come home.

Matter is the car is garbage - I had a Range Rover Sport before and it was fine.

This is absolutely not a wind up, nor is anything I am stating non-factual. Trust me I have had the lawyers verify prior to this. At the end of the day I might not get any support - I am personally chipping £25K (which is what I am prepared to spend on legals). To some (most) this may seem madness, but when you have a young family, and one of which is disabled and you keep breaking down on Motorways and have to struggle  with cars zipping by at 90mph to get them out of the car you might have a different mind set.

The whole issue is not so much about the car, it is more about the support offered. There is 5 months of correspondance that can not be fitted in to one forum.

[drmike]

The people I know with large lumps of money do seem to fall into two groups. There are those that are very canny and they wouldn't be spending £100 to put a message on a car that will be pointlessly crushed and then there are the others.

Damn it you've dragged me into replying!

As someone said a wind up but quite a good one.

Mike

[Hamster]

not a wind up - sorry.

[Thrasher]

If it's not a wind up why did spam it across all our forums? Bored?

If you are a yank you have lemon laws. Use them.

P.S. You can't get a supercharged "vogue" ..... you might want to check what you *actually* bought ;-) Or did you forget the SE?

[Hamster]

I am english, and it is the SE. I can send you all the details if you want. Black exterior, Parchment interior, 55 plate.

Why put it across the forums, to raise awareness. Why raise awareness, to get LAND Rover and Westovers attention.

At end of the day this is not what I want to do - trust me. But after 5 months of frustration you got to do something, right?

[Thrasher]

Well...I have an 06 supercharged Vogue SE and have had no issues. Why don't you go to Land Rover and complain about the Franchise? I have done this before when my Discovery was badly treated by them.

Crushing your car will not achieve anything. Why don't you list the failures here so we can make an objective appraisal? What sort of resolutions have you had etc?

[Hamster]

Failures have been stated, but basically:

gearbox fault (gearbox locks in 4th gear) Fixed under warranty, returned 2 weeks later, unresolved at time of last breakdown (it would drive ok on open roads, but in city traffic would lock in gear and have all alarms and stuff going)

Engine fault - 40 miles fuel left in tank (as per trip computer) and engine loses power. It keeps running, I just cant accelerate. They tell me this was a fuel pressure issue.

Main concern is the support given. I am told it is normally good, but my experience has been terrible. Breaking down on sundays, for example, is not good as they can not get you a replacement vehicle and want to drop you off at the nearest train station.

And then the attitude of the dealer outright stinks! (but then towards the end I have not exactly been the nicest, most receptive customer either)

[Thrasher]

It is not recommended to drive any catalyst equipped vehicle with low fuel levels. 40 miles is very little fuel - and any weakness in the system will show up. I have had mine down to 3 when looking for a fuel stop. Never again! But it would still kickdown etc.

Gearbox fault like that is one I have not heard of before, have you tried another dealer? Any of them will honour the warranty, also call Land Rover Customer Services - they will advise tech dept, and can also indicate another dealer for you.

Have you had any low battery situations? These can play havoc with the systems....

[Hamster]

Battery fine, and first gearbox fault was fixed by Hadley Green. I have only recently asked for a full history of the car now from land Rover and will take it into consideration.

Lets see what it says once it comes in.

Having said that - still have no confidence in it (the car) or the dealer. Some reason I really dont like being treated like the 'jam' between someones toes

[Thrasher]

Am I to assume you are not the first owner? If not I'd definitely get a history of the vehicle!

Also.....see if you can find out the originating dealer ..... this can help ;-)

[Hamster]

Cheers - I am doing my best to get the history - originating dealer is who I purchased from (and vehicle was only 4-65 months old). Fingers crossed that they sold me something they knew was not fit for purpose. But this has already taken 5 long months to try and get to, and the previous owner will not talk

[Thrasher]

When I had my last L322 (it was not new) I just rang the originating dealer with the vin number and they listed everything they had done and all warranty recalls it had seen without bother.

I guess it depends on the dealer ;-) In fact....I rang 4 dealers to try and track down some work it had done, and all were very obliging....worth a go?

All I said was I was the new owner, this is the VIN, could they list all work done as I was having an issue with the sound quality, and they went through the whole lot. Each of them!

[waveydavey]

If I understand things right these newer vehicles log all the faults permanantly on the onboard computer; take it to an indipendant with testbook or even buy a copy of Rovercom (better use of your £500) and you should be able to interogate the onboard computer for the history.
Can I have the copy of Rovercom when yuou have done it?

[mud-club-matty]

buyin rover com you have to buy the moduals on top or the softwere

[Hamster]

The onboard Computer does identify the fault - and it did on the Gearbox but did not tell them what the problem was - they had to to it.
No idea about engine fault - they just said fuel pressure problem.

[fudge]

Fuel Pressure Problem.................

Read Thrashers Post........... Low Fuel = Grief!

[hairyasswelder]

not a wind up - sorry.

THEN FILL IN YOUR PROFILE :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:

[Hamster]

It is - what else do I have to put on it?

[Frankie-Boy]

Hamster,

I think the main problem with your profile is your location and maybe a name, most of us list these as a matter of course, but if you have a problem with that we will respect your anonimity.

[murph]

Hamster,,

Take to an independant and plug it in, as said already the faults will be stored, depending on which part of Herts you are in try

http://www.howe-engineering.co.uk

Don't crush the car its a waste we all love our land rovers no matter how many faults they give us, most problems can be repaired. good luck.

[Boggert]

Some people struggle to buy a £10K car if you crush a £60K car you are a fool even if you have all the money in the world.
Yep you have had some faults and your dealer is crap... whats new, I got a great deal on my car but the dealer was crap... Its life :o

Go to another dealer or trade it in for something else is my advice.

[mike142sl]

trade it in for something else is my advice.

That appears to be what has already happened once already   :shock:

[Jake]

Where can i pledge a tenner?
Website?
 8)

[mark.yellow.series.3]

i would off load the vehicle as quick as poss, trade in and get another.
it sounds like a friday afternoon car to me. ( built quick on a friday so they can go home)

[hairyasswelder]

i would off load the vehicle as quick as poss, trade in and get another.
it sounds like a friday afternoon car to me. ( built quick on a friday so they can go home)

POETS day  :lol:  
Pee
Off
Early
Tomorrow's
Saturday  :lol:

[thermidorthelobster]

You're prepared to lose £25K, but the car's worth £63K as I understand it, or it would be if it wasn't broken.

In that case, put it up for sale for £50K, freely acknowledging the problems, and somebody who doesn't mind fixing it will probably buy it quite cheerfully.  In fact I could name 2 or 3 independent dealers who would probably be quite happy to take it off your hands, stick it in the workshop for a few hours and sell it on at a big profit.

Then you've only lost £13K instead of £25K.  Seems like a good deal to me.  Feel free to cut me in for 20% of the money you save.  Is it really worth £12K to have the publicity of crushing it?

Option B is, I can give you the name of a garage who will almost certainly be able to fix the problems;  even if it costs you a couple of grand, you'll be well in pocket.

[Hamster]

Some excellent advice. Need to make it clear this is more about sending a message to Land Rover / Westover / Lombard - not about best financial option for me. I want to send a message of 'treat your customers properly' (no matter if the spend £3K of £70K!)

[Cal]

I totally get that you want to send a message to LR, but surely the best option for you is to get it fixed up under warranty, keep a record of how you've been treated and go to Watchdog etc - then you get yout RR fixed (and can then get rid and get a non-Friday arvo motor) and you get the publicity you want this to have.

I also reckon from what I've read, at this stage you should be more p*ssed off with the dealer than LR themselves, but apologies if I'm not understanding all the interaction you've had so far.

Don't crush it - just get it fixed - and raise hell about the lack of service you're getting from the dealers - put them out of business, not LR.

[Hamster]

The issue is Land Rover actually were the ones who wrote me a letter saying they would not take the vehicle back. Initially the dealer was supportive and asked LR for assistance to help me get out of a difficult situation. Once LR officially said no it went downhill fast - and all goodwill was lost.