Grizzly claws or Anaconda's ???

[simon15]

im looking to get a decent set of off road tyres at the end of the mo nth for my Rangi but unsure of what to get.

obviously if a good set of second hand ones comes up ill go for them as its much cheaper than buying them new.

ill be looking at getting as big as possible. 285/75 most probably. as they dont seem to do 33/12.5 which is what i would like.

Rangie already has a 1.5" lift but a further 2" to come.


any other suggestions would be great :) macho?Recip?etc etc...

i know anaconda dont have a great amount of grip sideways but nobody seems to get stuck with them :)


i will be using it on raods too but i dont do many miles so not to worried about tyre wear just as long as they handle on road ok too.


Cheers all.

[jjsaul]

i had 225/75R16 machos on my RRC and i'd swear by em

[simon15]

yeah have looked into machos but they dont look as aggressive as the Grizzleys or anacondas...

[jay118]

hi i've got anacondas on mine 265/75/16 and they are very good , if you like mud get anacondas you'll go almost anywhere :)

[drmike]

James I had 225 75 machos on the disco and the 90 at one stage and they performed at least as well as my current 750 diamonds. The only problem was grounding out as they were a smaller diameter.

Do you think the smaller diameter makes them more effective in some way? Machos are not as aggressive as diamonds but they certainly seemed more effective except in deep ruts.

Mike

[simon15]

if I were to get machos they would be 33.12.5


what are the anacondas like on road? are they quite reasonable?

[buster uk]

considering grizzly claws are remoulds i think they are far too expensive.
Also,i wouldn't use a remould on the road as i dont think they are speed rated,therefore unsafe.

[Range Rover Blues]

And too many people have had Grizzlies explode on them.

I really like the Machos but you need to check, as Buster says, that they are correctly speed rated for your car or you will have insurance issues.

[simon15]

machos seem the sensible bet after seeing people opinions...

[Range Rover Blues]

I have a set that I don't use anymore, but they aren't big enough for you by the sounds of it.

[range17]

Machos are very good ,Sowden Tyres are good price very nice chap .

[simon15]

yeah they seem great.

got a very good price for anaconda's


what size macho's have you got spare?? and how much?

[jjsaul]

machos seem the sensible bet after seeing people opinions...

like i said they are good offroad, but equally handle well on road for what is an aggressive remould MT.
not sure what the speed rating is but even at ninety something (private road...) they do go in a straight line.

ive also got some for sale but way too small for you  :lol:

[anaxemurderer]

Macho's are very good but as a dedicated offroad tyre they are not as good as grizzlies or anaconda's.

Anaconda's are very good in mud, especially in a straight line (if you like blasting through mud runs they are ideal!). Suffer abit from lateral grip, seen some nasty sideways slides.

Grizzlies are awesome, very dependable. I have never met anyone that has actually had a tyre burst on them (only people that 'know' people. Besides bronco have improved their carcasses considerably

I would definately suggest recip maxi 3ds but they only come in 235/85 (although mine actually have a diameter close to 33")

Remoulds are speed rated (or they wouldn't be road legal in UK), but tend to have a lower rating especially with aggressive tread. If your worried about insurance issues, you should be thinking about your lift and other modifications so tyre speed ratings doesn't make much difference!

cheers

Nick

ps if you really want to go 33" my choice would be grizzlies

[Range Rover Blues]

I had a grizzly with a claw missing and when you see how little rubber there is between the steel plies and fresh air I will never have another set.

[anaxemurderer]

i suspect you might feel like that if you saw alot of tyres in cross section (including remoulds) but point taken. Another issue with remoulds is the sidewalls. Most remoulds use old truck tyres for carcasses (cause of the size) which usually result in very stiff side walls.

Ment to mention earlier that anaconda's seem pretty rubbish on the road. Friend of mine won't do more than 50 mph on his set (but then i won't do more than 50mph on recips). Sure you would find people that drive faster on them though.

[thepsychoman]

Looked at Insa Special Tracks? 265/75/16 are near enough 33" tyres and far better (and cheaper) than Grizzleys IMHO. Brill mud tyres!!!! 8)

[Disco-Ron]

I have a set of 285 75 16 macho's in the garage just waiting for me to find some decent wheels with the right offset for my useage... then they'll be on the Disco!!

[Highridge]

I am fairly new to serious off roading, I have a Bobtailed Range Rover Classic which I have recently fitted a set of used Anaconda's too and in my opinion you could not do any better.

They are I believe rated to 64mph on road and have only recently been classified as road legal, I drive slowly and carefully on the road mainly because I do not want to wear them out too quickly ;-)

I have seen far better, more expensive 4x4s struggle in situations that my RRC has managed with ease, I think that is entirely down to the tyres.

I have not got it lifted or down anything expensive too it.

I hope this helps.

[drmike]

But sadly I don't think your tyres are speed rated for the vehicle and hence you probably don't have any insurance should they check!

As others often say: It's not the speed that you do it's the speed your can nominally do that counts.

Mike

[skip]

Provided that you tell the insuarce company that you have changed the tyres for non standard ones and they agree as with any other mod, you should be fine.

If it weren't there wouldn't be a market for big knobbly tyres as almost all are a lower speed rating than the original fit.

[Range Rover Blues]

I'm not sure it's simply a matter of tellilng your insurance company, the reason fitting too low a rated tyre invalidates you insurance is that it's illegal.

[Highridge]

In reply to DrMike.

Not sure what you mean about rated for my vehicle, the tyres are rated at 64mph, my Bobtail will only do 55mph so thats the maximum speed I can drive at.

That is only on motorways on level ground after a good run up, I suspect that is the diffs, the previous owner was unwilling to explain the mods he made, (it was an eBay deal) I was told that maybe the diffs had been swapped for LR ones with more favourable off road gearing.

As I said I am new to all this, however, I still stand by my comments on these tyres, I have yet to get stuck.

I had 6 hours at Frickley on Sunday, which was very muddy and had plenty of deep water.

Regards, Karl.

[anaxemurderer]

Not wanting to be insulting but never getting stuck is not a good way to prove how good tyres are. Surely you can only find the very limit by going past the limit.

It has long been my moto that if you don't get stuck your not trying hard enough!

When i'm not driving in the deepest mud i can find i'm intentionally taking the most difficult line in order to test the vehicles limits. (which i might add far out go mine!)

I wasn't aware that using tyres rated less than original spec was actually illegal!

Nick

[clbarclay]

I currently have SATs which are L rated and super swampers that are only DOT marked so whating to see what the letter of the law actually says. I expect VOSA is the best bet for an answer?


Karl
Regards your diffs, chances are they might be from a series land rover which had a higher ratio of 4.7:1 compared to coil sprung live axle landrovers (disco/range rover/defender) which have a ratio of 3.54:1 as standard. You might also have a different transphere box, defenders, inparticulare early 110 had higher ratio transphere boxs compared to range rovers.

It seems a bit odd that previous owner wasn't prepared to explain the modifications, must be a bit awkward when declaring modifications for insurance if you don't know what and how its been changed.

[Highridge]

Why do people who are about to insult you always say they don't mean to insult you but ....

I shall not be posting replies to these forums again.

Chris, thanks for your help

[drmike]

On the offchance that Highridge does look at this again I believe that any Range Rover will have a manufacturers speed rating of 90 mph + and I believe (notice how hedgy I'm being) that this is the value that is used for speed rating.

Hence when I bought my diamnonds for the Defender I was careful to find out what the nominal maximum speed for the vehicle was and buy a diamond tyre with a suitably higher speed rating. Not all of them were suitably rated.

The insurer might agree that the tyres are OK but isn't it a legal requirement to have suitably rated tyres? Bear in mind 4 tyres are probably 3 points each if stopped or worse still in an accident.

Mike

[FITZ4X4]

Here's two penneth on Tyre Speed Ratings
For MOT requirements in this country, it is not necessary to fit a tyre with a speed rating to match the original vehicle fitment or the maximum speed of the vehicle. However tyres must be suitable for the purpose for which the vehicle will be used.
This is from the tester manual 'Note: A Class III or IV vehicle tyre which appears to be of inadequate size, ply or speed rating for the vehicle or its use is not a reason for rejection.  However, the vehicle presenter should be informed.'
The vehicle manufacturer has to use a tyre with a rating to match the maximum speed of the car because when it leaves the factory he does not know exactly where the car is going or for what purpose it might be used. You might want to use the car in a country where higher speed limits apply than the UK (Germany) or take it to a race track at the weekend.

Insurance companies might say that a vehicle should be fitted with the tyres having the speed rating recommended by the car manufacturer: but even if you fit Z-rated tyres for speeds over 150 mph they will not insure you if you drive in excess of 70 mph in this country! However they may still say your insuance is invalide and refuse a claim.

You should not fit tyres with a lower speed rating than the minimum specified by the vehicle manufacturer. Even if you don't drive that fast, the vehicle has been certified by the manufacturer with tyres of the specified speed rating. Using components of a lower specification than this may not be safe and may also invalidate vehicle certification and void your your insurance, hence it is not legal for on road use.
Even a new top quality Mud Terrian like a BF Goodrich is only Q rated for 99 mph. Hence this would not be strictly leagal on a Range Rover or other Land Rover capable of speeds of over 99 mph.

[clbarclay]

Minor side point and largely irrelivant due to the overwhelimng trend for fitting 32" or 33" tyres on RRC, but the 205r16 Insa Turbo Special Track is actually 'S' speed rated which complys with the manufactures recomended minimum speed rating for RRC tyres.
http://www.4site4x4.co.uk/tyre-details.aspx?id=64