Offroading - 1972 or 1991 Range Rover

[Dr Strangeglove]

I have just purchased a second Range Rover.  It’s a 1972 and I intend to put my 1991 bodywork onto this chassis so that it will be tax exempt (as it’s a second vehicle that will get quite low mileage but needing off-road capability) and thus the annual cost not cheesing her off too much! :(kerching): .

The 1972 has a SD1 Rover 3.5 V8 with carbs, fitted to a LT95 4-speed gearbox, whilst the 1991 has a 3.9 EFi with a 4-speed auto box.  I need to put use the axles, chassis and suspension onto the vehicle which will be road bound and then put the 1991 bodywork onto that.  The rest I want to use for building a vehicle for off-roading.  The question is this – which is the best engine and gearbox for using off-road. :-k

The 1972 has not got power steering either! :(bigshock):

Any answers and opinions welcome!!

Many thanks

Mick

[Thrasher]

Auto :-)

[hairyasswelder]

Auto, and retro fit power steering.  :D

[Yoshi]

and the 3.9, definately the 3.9 lol

[Range Rover Blues]

Waoohh.  You're fitting the entire 3.9 running gear to the 1972 chassis.

The it will be a Q plate as you have not kept enough of the original donor car.

You need to keep the engine, axles and suspension at least, if not the engine (for now).

That said, the 3.9 is a HC engine with considerably more power, the auto box has got me converted and the later axles will be a bit stronger, thoug I heard something about very early cars having biger CV joints?

The later propshafts too :roll:

Has the 4 speed got a LSD in it, early ones did.

[Range Rover Ron]

Hello guys,

RR Blues has a very valid point,
there is a system that you have to use that is available form the DVLA or their Special Vehicle Officer.
They will assess your vehilce to see if it will be tax exempt.
they have a points system, I'm not sure of how it scores but it is something like this..............

Original chassis 2 points...
original engine 1 point
origianal gearbox 1 point,
Suspension 1 point,
body 1 point,

I think you have to score 12 points to keep the origanal reg & there fore tax exempt if it is tax exempt.

it's all available via DVLA/SVO.

Cheers...................

[Yoshi]

8pts to keep the original reg, and thought the chassis was 5 pts?

[Yoshi]

Scoring components

The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

    * chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
    * suspension = 2 points
    * axles = 2 points
    * transmission = 2 points
    * steering assembly = 2 points
    * engine = 1 point

[Range Rover Blues]

I thought eh engine was only a point (not that I remembered the others :roll: ) but it's not very important in the scheme of things.

Basically as I understood it a monocoque with the rear axle/suspension would be able to keep the log book.

I'd suggest then that the chassis plus either axles or suspension plus the steering should suffice.

Does a new/recon steering box susbstituted for the original count as original?  as you will be keeping the steering column and all the drag links then a new PAS box would be ok.

[Yoshi]

Double checked its definately only 8pts you need, and am sure the chassis and body only counts the body if the chassis and body are part of one another, so in the case of land rovers (older ones) the body isnt classed on the points system :D

[Range Rover Blues]

No it isn't, but becasue the body on RRR is damaged the insurance are insiting it's a cat B.  They are demending the keys now infact but havn't made an offer on the car yet.
b*****ds, they'' le loosing about £2k worth of my business next year

[Yoshi]

They will do, as its unsafe to be on the road, because of the damage to the body

[Range Rover Blues]

Which is b****cks.  I could turn it into a DAKAR which they will then insure for me!

They have estimated £10k for repair using new parts, well the car cost £40k new, so that's hardly any justification, but when Jane took out the policy they assured her a classic policy guaranteed she had the option to retain the car after a write-off.

Lying b****ds

When they say "at least my insurance isn't as steep as my off roading" what they actually mean is 'My Range Rover goes further than my insurance@

Won't be using them again.

I suspect someone in the office wants the car for themselves as it's got a brand new engine in it and a brand new gas conversion.

[Yoshi]

Well also they cant take the keys off you until they have an agreed payout with you as well.  Its still your vehicle until the payout is agreed.  We just had that with NFU.

[hairyasswelder]

RRB DOes cat b not put you both in an awkward position legally??
I thought you needed a waste disposal licence for cat A and B ?
Not 100% but worth checking

Steve

[Dr Strangeglove]

I need to keep the chassis, the axles and the suspension and as they all seem sound I should have no problem with that (9 points with 8 required).  I just wondered which was the best engine and gearbox.  The gent I got the 1972 from said it was an LT95 and that it was well built.  He also said the engine was a 175 bhp SD1 instead of the standard 135 bhp (but I don't know what the 3.9 would be!)

Is the LT95 a good gearbox?