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« on: March 29, 2007, 13:22:36 »
my air bag light stays on has any one got ideas. How do you check out the system etc. Plus can air bags be removed and be replaced with normal stering wheel and passanger grab handel.

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2007, 15:25:24 »
My experiance is purely Mercedes-Benz But.... When a connector becomes loose it throws the lamp on and must be reset with the STAR machine, therefore if you removed the bags the lamp would be permanently lit and therefore fail an MOT just like an ABS lamp would.....

It would be an MOT Prerequisite to ensure the lamp :

 A: Illuminated
 B: Went Out

Notice point A, I've seen them removed, de soldered, painted

You could maybe connect the SRS lamp to the Glow Lamp Circuit.... It would respond in the same way, but when you are hit head on at 65mph and suffer life altering injuries the other insurers may say that your injuries were self inflicted because of your alterations, alterations that would alter the homologation of the car from day one.

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2007, 15:36:33 »
I don't think it would cost as much as buying new steering wheel and dash board bits to take it to your local LR dealer to check the fault and clear the light.

The light was on mine when I test drove it, the garage selling it took it to LR who checked it and reset the light. I think it was on due to a flat battery and sitting on a forecourt or two for a few weeks.

If you remove the air bag it's a modification for the worse and the insurance companies will add a bit or two to your premium. You can of course forget to tell them but if they find out as a result of a claim they will use it as an easy way to refuse to pay out.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2007, 17:46:39 »
Before I start

PLEASE be careful with these damm things:

1) They are saftey equipment and they do actually help unless its the old basic US system, in which case, hell yes, yank it out.

2) When they go off, BOY do they go. A sharp knock on the airbag controller or the airback internals in the hub can be enough. For example a frisbee'ed clio sterring wheel from a Phase 2 clio will fly about 50 foot if it goes off on landing. An airbar CAN break bones, people have been killed workign with them.

Check all the wiring as mentioned, check that the rings (if fitted) are clean and not corroded and the contacts are in good shape. Dont take the wheel apart unless you really have to. the book of lies has information on making the wheel safe should you need it.

Some systems have a battery pack, others use a cpacitor so they always have power. In the battery based systems the pack may have failed. TBH the best way to know whats died if its not a simple case of dirty rings, is to get the fault code read. There are ways to get the codes to 'blink out' on Autoliv system and you might find the info on the net.

The most common system IIRC is the Autoliv system but I dont know what Rover used. The Autoliv system typically has an ECU bolted to the floor pan or some solid, flat peice of bodywork someplace and will contain an accelerometer, this is why clocking the thing might set it off. There is sometimes a supplementory sensor and a remote storage pack. In the Autoliv system this lives in the steering wheel hub with the airbag. Signals are passed into the hub via rings and contact much the same way as the horn does on some cars. Inside the compressed airbag is an explosive charge that detonates with considerable force. If you have the hub apart there is normally a labelled connector you can seperate to isolate the charge. The charge is sensitive to shock and heat, remove the hub and put it someplace where it cant fall off.

The most common bodge I have seen is wiring the airbag lamp to the oil warning lamp, also seen this done for ABS lamps too.

This also applies to explosive seatbelt pretensioners too.

Incidentally most airbag ECUs record a lot of information about the crash, impact force and direction are almost always recorded, some even pull data from the car's ECU and continously store data one speed, brake application engine speed etc in a short loop. Full Impact control systems such as those used on more recent cars and very high end veichles such as the RRSC this may extend to minutes of data about all aspects of the car.

BTW I used to do a lot of work for Autoliv, TRL, MIRA and Klippan, can you tell? :)
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2007, 18:43:42 »
HI
it maybe the same as the frontera/trooper/monteray
if there are seatbelt pretensioners fitted
the wirng loom plugs under the front seats become loose
with age and need cleaning and re fitting and then cable tying
the air bag light will then go out
as it's the same as the ABS light
they run a check every time you turn on the ignition
no faults and the lights go out
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2007, 02:50:22 »
I don't think the Airbag light is MOT testable.  Mine doesn't come on and it's never been checked.  Airbags are not a legal requirement on any age of car, do not effect the safety/handling or crashworthyness of the vehicle save to act as a secondary restraint.

Anyway, it could be the system tellingt ou it;'s over 10 years old and wants new airbags.  It can be dissabled using Rovacom or similar.  I'm thinking of buying the module for the softdash RRC soon.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2007, 14:16:51 »
thanks everyone removed battery etc and left it off for a while that did not work also looked at wires seem ok so its off to garage for a plug in.

 






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