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300tdi engine into a 90 using disco transfer box?
« on: May 07, 2007, 20:29:28 »
Hi guys is it possible to put a 300tdi disco engine into a 90 using the disco transfer box? ive got an NA and just want to put some life intop the landy. What engine conversions are easy and the cheapest? Any garages that specialise in the conversion? thanks for any advice

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2007, 09:26:25 »
Disco engine - apart from a few ancillery differences... is the same engine.

Gearbox wise...

Personnally I'd go down the 'factory spec' conversion route... so run a Defender spec R380 and either a Defender spec transfer box, or a Discovery one depending on what size tyres you run, and what you use the 90 for.

The other option is that you can mount it onto your existing LT77 gearbox by using the rear engine cover off your existing NA.
Going down this route means that you can keep your existing gearbox, floor, seatbox and props... but you will have to modify the exhaust, coolant pipes, oil cooloer pipes, and intercooler pipework etc etc.

Again, the Disco transfer box can be fitted if it suits your needs.

With both setups you will need to change the chassis mounted engine mounts.

Don't think any garages specialise in the conversion... but a few will probably do it for you.

Or... you could ask on here, I'm sure there's a couple of people who'd do it for you  :wink:  :wink:


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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2007, 16:08:28 »
Cheers porny for the advice. Rite decision time as my NA is beginning to hack me off. Do istart with a galv chasis and just move my old 90 onto it and use defender doors? On the NA it has all new parts underneath apart from the chasis which is OK but not as good as id like. New suspension all round,fuel tank, exaust etc etc.

Now ive decided to go for either a td5 defender engine or a 300tdi defender engine. Simple to fit? Also whats best for general use as im going to uni and wont be on the farm as much (motorway miles), a disco transfer box or a R380? i need to crusie at 70 ideally.

Anyone on here know where i can take the car to have the new engine and transfer box put in profesionally. Also where do i get a galv chasis from? thanks again

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2007, 16:33:36 »
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Cheers porny for the advice. Rite decision time as my NA is beginning to hack me off. Do istart with a galv chasis and just move my old 90 onto it and use defender doors? On the NA it has all new parts underneath apart from the chasis which is OK but not as good as id like. New suspension all round,fuel tank, exaust etc etc.

Now ive decided to go for either a td5 defender engine or a 300tdi defender engine. Simple to fit? Also whats best for general use as im going to uni and wont be on the farm as much (motorway miles), a disco transfer box or a R380? i need to crusie at 70 ideally.

Anyone on here know where i can take the car to have the new engine and transfer box put in profesionally. Also where do i get a galv chasis from? thanks again


Galvanised chassis....
Depends on what condition your chassis is in.  If it's good then just have the mounts changed.
If it's getting a bit tired, go for a galvanised one.  But make sure you've decided on your engine choice first.

Gearbox wise... I think your getting a bit confused.

Two main manual gearboxes fitted to all 90/110's, RR and Discovery are:

The LT77 which was behind anything pre 1994 - so was in all manual 90/110/Defender, RR and Disco's.

And the R380 which was from 1994 onwards (came with the 300Tdi) and again was in the RR classic, P38, Disco 1 and 2 and all Defender.

Both gearboxes use the same transfer box - the LT230.  The only thing that differs is the gearing in the transfer box between models.  Defender typically had a 1.410:1 ratio, and the Disco/RR 1.22:1.

The gearboxes, although having the same name, do differ between models (different gear stick locations) and really you only want to a Defender gearbox in a Defender, and a Disco gearbox in a Disco.  Internally though, the ratio's are identical.


If your doing lots of motorway miles, don't tow heavy loads and don't run oversize tyres... then i'd go for Defender main gearbox and the disco spec LT230 transfer box.  Both the 300 and Td5 can be easily tweaked to overcome any gearing issues.
In all honesty though, my 300Tdi runs standard gearing and will happily sit at 70mph or more.

Both the 300 and Td5 are easy to fit (especially if you are starting from a new chassis)... though the Td5 is a bit more involved, but nothing major.  I personally like both engines - hence why I have a 300tdi 90, and am building a Td5 90 from scratch.

If you go down the Td5 route.. and you want to make it look like a factory Td5 then you will need to fit the later rear tub and fuel tank and a few other bits.  
And for both engines, if you go down the 'as factory' conversion, you will need the R380 gearbox - and the transmission tunel, floor panels, seat box, props etc etc.


Engine and gearbox wise... I've been known to fit a couple  :wink:

Helping my mate build a Td5 front scratch too (see pics) - galvanised chassis etc etc.


The easiest place to get a new chassis from would be Richards Chassis... or they do come up on EBay - but most of them are galvanised second hand chassis' - which aren't really ideal for a number of reasons.


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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2007, 16:46:51 »
Thanks again porny. Rite well im thinking 300tdi engine r380 box and the defender transfer box, basically a standard defender 300tdi conversion. If i keep my old chasis and body panels etc, everything apart from the engine, what will it octs roughly. How much engine? how much gearbox/tranfer box?

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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2007, 17:00:05 »
Quote from: "William"
Thanks again porny. Rite well im thinking 300tdi engine r380 box and the defender transfer box, basically a standard defender 300tdi conversion. If i keep my old chasis and body panels etc, everything apart from the engine, what will it octs roughly. How much engine? how much gearbox/tranfer box?


Engine usually around the £1000 mark with radiator, intercooler, all the pipework, PAS pipework, fuel filter assembey,  air intake etc etc

Gearbox and transfer box (and crossmember) - £500 ish..

The you will also need the 300tdi spec seatbox, transmission tunel, floor panels, exhaust and a few other bits.. so probably another £300

In saying that, although you don't always know what your buying... 300Tdi's do often come up on Ebay for very decent money.

If you were serious, I could probably supply all the bits you need.

Then you've just got the fitting costs.


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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2007, 19:25:43 »
Probably worth trying a 90 TDi fitted with a Disco transfer-box before you make a decision.
Mine has this set-up along with 265/75 BFG AT's and I find it perfect, the standard gearing just feels sooooo loooooooow. Motorways, townwork, towing, headwinds, hills & off-road I have yet to find a situation where the higher gearing has proved to be anything less than a complete success.
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