good deed goes horribly wrong!

[frosty]

Yesterday a "lovely" staffy terrier turned up in the yard, it was friendly, sat when you said sit so rather than let it wander off I thought id try and find the owner. The missus rang round the police, kennels and local shops while I walked it through the village asking everyone.. Noone new of it so i took it home and because i didnt have a kennel free i chained it up.

  The man from the kennels said he would come out tomorrow (tuesday) morning but since this morning its killed one of the cats (who had kittens so we are now playing surrogate mum and dad!) and savaged our labradour! I took it to the local kennels (2 miles away) but they wouldnt touch it because we live in norfolk and there in cambridgeshire! the norfolk kennels are permenantly engaged, and the police havent bothered to get back to me!

  Whats really bugging me is its more than likely some thosser has dumped it! None of the the people ive contacted have had anyone try and claim it and the thing is massivly powerful (while it was mauling the lab it could only be convinced to stop when i used my size 9 rigger boot) what would have happened if it had got hold of some kid, or a little old lady walking her poodle!

   aaaaagh! rant over!

[MuddyMachine]

You could try these. Its where I got mine from. I know it says northen but they can deal with UK.

I got mine just short of portsmouth

[redhand]

You need to phone the police and report it as a dangerous dog. I know it's cruel but it's obviously a danger to other animals and possibly even to people.

[freelanderpx54]

Unfortunately, the only cure for a dog like that is an ounce and a half of lead

[C C]

If you are in Norfolk give The Dogs trust a ring.

North Farm Kennels
North End Road
Snetterton
Norfolk
NR16 2LD
 
Tel: 01953 498377


http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/rehoming/our_centres/snetterton/

[strapping young lad]

coppers should assist and if its a danger to others should be destroyed

[Boggert]

All the police can do is if there is a kennel at the nik is take it in and get a vet to collect it.

If I find a stray dog at home it gets moved on, I won't take it in. If you do you become liable for it and if it comes out your yard and attacks someone you are in trouble. The RSPCA are as useful as a chocolate fire guard so I wouldn't bother with them.

[frosty]

About 10 mins after i posted a very nice man turned up with his van and took the dog away! The bloody dog walked out of the yard, sat when told to, climbed in the van when told to and sat down again when told to! I should think it will be taking a long sleep as soon as the vets open this morning. I just cant believe some irresponsible <edit> has dumped a dangerous dog! still ive learnt a lesson i guess!

[iluvmud]

dont get me on about dangerous dogs :shock:  today me other half and seven yr old daughter were walking our dog (staffie) on field down road in village and had our dog on lead (responsible dog ownership)as she saw a bloke with dalmation at top of field (had a meeting before with our dog and went for our dog!)  the said dalmation came belting down the field to our dog ignoring owners shouts and pounched on our dog now she is a staffie but is way too soft for her own good and didnt retaliate and got attacked next to our daughter    eventually sarah managed to kick it off while the bloke strolled down the field and just said sorry !!
Our dog has swelling on her side from bites and 2 puncture wounds on her face Sarah was very upset as was our daughter so sarah rang police to be told they cant do a thing about it ring dog warden so she did but they say they cant do anything unless it bit a human even though our dog was on lead and the other dog was uncontrollable and this is second time!!! i call this a dangerous dog not controlled :shock:
what if our daughter got in way of this dog what could have happened!!!!!!
unbelievable!   that nothing can be done at all about a dangerous dog off the lead in a public place !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry rant over !!  There are some irresponsible dog owners around!

[saintsboy]

same thing happened to us while walking our staffy at the local park
ours is a rescue dog and before we got him he hadnt been near any other animal so hes does not  socialise with other dogs at all
so when were down the park if i see other dogs coming near him i put him on the lead and call the other dog owner to get there dog away
well it normally works fine but the last time the other dogs owner thought his phone call was more important than his dog
so one sorry dalmation later and the bloke was still walking over on his mobile
i wish people would listen
now were taking him out later and later so we dont see other dogs

[simdeb]

a gardener near us has apparently been biten by a small size dog shiitzu type and has had to have his leg off, don't know any more details and i don't think its a rumor as there are too many people talking about it!!

i've always told my kids if the dogs start fighting with any other dog don't get in between let an adult intervene if necessary, i know its easier said than done but at i'd sooner go to the vets rather than the hospital

[frosty]

It just amazes me that after all the hype about dangerous dogs over the past few years that some idiot dog owners are still being stupid about it! Mind u, im guessing its the same as drink drivers/ dangerous drivers etc.. theres always some small minority that bu**ers it up for the rest of us!

  Hope your dog, daughter and missus are all fine iluvmud,

  Cheers, Rob

[Keri]

Thing is there is a big big difference between a dog that is dog dog aggressive and human aggressive! A dog dog aggressive dog will likly never bite person.

But end of the day anyone dog at any time no matter how nice or soft the dog could one day attack another dog or another person.

People attack other people all the time maybe they should be put down for that as well? It natural behaviour and people should be more responsible.

[Evilgoat]

Thing is there is a big big difference between a dog that is dog dog aggressive and human aggressive! A dog dog aggressive dog will likly never bite person.

But end of the day anyone dog at any time no matter how nice or soft the dog could one day attack another dog or another person.

People attack other people all the time maybe they should be put down for that as well? It natural behaviour and people should be more responsible.

A keen grasp of dog ownership there Keri, well done.

At the end of the day a dog is a pack animal and its about expressing dominance and being the Alpha. The main reasons for attacks are a direct threat or expressing dominance. ANY dog will react to being directly threatened be it man or beast, that you cannot do anything about. Even your tired old 10 year old black lab will take lumps out of someone if he feels that the outcome of a situation will result in it being injured or killed, the same goes to threats against the pack leader (thats you if its trained properly).

When you train a dog a vitally important part of the training is estabilshing yourself as the alpha male/female and establish yourself as the pack leader. A correctly trained dog will expect this and respect it too. By extension humans are part of your pack and unless threatened it wont attack. The same goes for other dogs too, the animal will revert to the normal behaviour of defaulting to you and its very unlikeley it'll attack another dog and will usually submit.

If you fail to establish this pecking order theres one of two outcomes.

First the dog will not regcognise you as the pack leader and you'll have a lot of control issues, destructive behaviour and you'll probobly start seeing attacks against other dogs and people as it tried to assert its domiance and become the Alpha. When a dog is trying to assert domiance it doesnt matter who/what it directs these attacks at.

Secondly you can end up with a dog thats not quite right, and the above will also reply. A good example of this is one of my parents dogs who was never properly trained nor taught to respect my parents as the pack leaders. The result is while it tolerated mum, dad and the other dog (and all three have been attacked) it sees any other dog as a direct challenge and attacks.

And yes there are dangerous dogs that are going to be more inclined to have a go than others, my own dog for example. Its almost unknown for a Husky to have any issues with Humand or other dogs. But it will attack and kill animals that are smaller than it, Huskies are not unknown to kill cats. This is because like Collies and many other dogs not only are they working animals and are taylored for their environment, deep down they are still wild animals too. Thats why the whole pack hierarchy is needed.

Huskies will kill small animals but have amazing endurance (hence sled dogs)
Collies will herd things (hence sheepdogs)
Jack russels an many small terriers will go after small animals (hence ratters)
Dobies, Rotties and GSDs are feircly protective of the pack and very territorial (hence guard dogs)
PittBulls and several other terriers are bred to fight
Labs and retreivers are bred to be feircely loyal and defer to the human (gundogs, seeing eye dogs etc)

Its the way it is. Owning a dogs is NOT a case of buying it and forgetting about it like a cat, any breed, especially a working dog MUST be trained. At the end of the day a dog is a pack animal and this is something that you cant really bread out, as I said, even the most docile braindead spaniel will protect its owner. If you dont provide this for them they'll look to do it themselves.

Ther ARE dangerous breeds, and in fact pretty much any dog is dangerous in the hands of a dumb owner, I've see and heard of people being savaged by Retreivers and Labs becaus etheir owners spent the day beating the ahem out of them. At the same time I've lived with dangerous breeds and all you have to be afraid of normally is being drowned in drool. Buy a mutt and you can kind of get away from it, buy a working dog and.or a working dogs, especially a farm bred Border Collie, and you are in for a world of hurt if you dont get it trained.

This story is typical of what happens. A dog thats known to be a little bit 'not right' to start with, purchased with no thought as to how to bring up a dog and then when it gets too much, turned out. Sadly its probobly going to be difficult to do anythingis possible at all and it will probobly be put to sleep.

Responsible dog owners know all of this, the chavs that get a dog (normaly one of those bread for fighting because its well 'ard) just to look cool dont.

[Wanderer]

Thing is there is a big big difference between a dog that is dog dog aggressive and human aggressive! A dog dog aggressive dog will likly never bite person.

There's one flaw there Keri.

Any animal showing aggresive tendencies leans  towards pack attitudes.
As soon as it considers a child or "lesser adult" as trying be higher up in the pack (by stopping the fight) then it WILL bite the human to reinstate it's position in the pack.
Which is why children get bitten more often than adults especially if they are down at face level with the dog at the time.

Ed

[Red Defender]

my parents first dog was as friendly as they came she was a lab/collie cross who was only about 8 months old when i was born and when i was about 6 months old our neighbors at the time had a pair Doberman that decided i was on the menu and jumped the fence into the back yard while my mother had popped in to get something and the first thing she saw was a black flash as my dog went through the kitchen window and bolled the first one over and then proceeded to give them both a good hiding while she stood over me and held them at bay till my mother could rescue me.

then on another occasion a few years later when we where living in wales the local farmers dog had me pinned to a wall and i can remember quite vividly hearing an almighty woof and seeing my dog take two 5 bar gates and a cattle grid in one leap and then totally annihilate the farmers dog which had to be put down!

she continued this right up until she died - other dogs could come near me and be fussed etc but the moment they so much as looked at me wrong they where in trouble ! - i loved that dog

[redhand]

My ex has my old dog. A staffie Rottie cross, and her hubby has has a sutherland/lab cross both are as soft as owt and have got on fine together for the last 3 years. then last year for some reason they decided to have a fight. The ex tried to seperate them and got her thumb opened to the bone and had to have 6 stiches in it. The 2 dogs got another 17 stitches between em. I gave her lots of advice on how to reassert the pack heirarchy. and they were fine for another six months till I was visiting when they decided to have another go at each other. 1 bowl of water and a couple of size 8's later and the fight was over. But they are fighting over the ex.  Because she spoils em and treats em like babies not dogs. Now the hubbies dog lives outside in a large compound and the staffies stays in the house. Funnily enough she also has a collie/terrier cross bitch and they're both petrified of her, even though she's 1/4 the size of either of them.

[richo]

On reading the first post i'm sorry that you have had a bad first time with staffys.I own a staff and can honestly say it's the most wonderful breed iv'e ever owned.
Who ever owned that dog must of been a moron as they only get like that if you let them.Sad thing is it's the dog that will pay the price.
Most staffys i have come in contact with are usally no more dangerous that a run of the mill family dog.
Chavs and staffys don't go as they think there great until they find out how much damaged a untrained one can do.
If you read the history of the breed you will be very surprized to find out why they were breed and how loyal to there handlers they were and how easy to rehome due to there trusting nature.
I would just like to say to any one reading these posts that staffys are not the dangerous dogs a lot of poeple think they are[they are pitbulls not the same breed] and can be very loving pets who are great with children.

[iluvmud]

same thing happened to us while walking our staffy at the local park
ours is a rescue dog and before we got him he hadnt been near any other animal so hes does not  socialise with other dogs at all
so when were down the park if i see other dogs coming near him i put him on the lead and call the other dog owner to get there dog away
well it normally works fine but the last time the other dogs owner thought his phone call was more important than his dog
so one sorry dalmation later and the bloke was still walking over on his mobile
i wish people would listen
now were taking him out later and later so we dont see other dogs

Ours was rescued and was excactly the same as yours had a go at anything but now she gets on with everything and tollerates everything the best thing we did was to socialise her as much as we could with other animals starting by just walking near and past dogs horses etc eventually this worked shame you dont live nearer as our lass is a dog behaviourist/psycologist

Hope your dog, daughter and missus are all fine iluvmud,

Cheers, Rob

yep all fine now thanks rob were just shuck up and our dog Tess all healed up nicely now been out playing with other dogs tonight so she aint got any issues  :lol:

On reading the first post i'm sorry that you have had a bad first time with staffys.I own a staff and can honestly say it's the most wonderful breed iv'e ever owned.
Who ever owned that dog must of been a moron as they only get like that if you let them.Sad thing is it's the dog that will pay the price.
Most staffys i have come in contact with are usally no more dangerous that a run of the mill family dog.
Chavs and staffys don't go as they think there great until they find out how much damaged a untrained one can do.
If you read the history of the breed you will be very surprized to find out why they were breed and how loyal to there handlers they were and how easy to rehome due to there trusting nature.
I would just like to say to any one reading these posts that staffys are not the dangerous dogs a lot of poeple think they are[they are pitbulls not the same breed] and can be very loving pets who are great with children.

I agree totally with everthing you said Richo brilliant dogs noone should be put off staffys infact any dog in the wrong hands is as dangerous/ viscous as any dog !!  

Would reccomend a staffy to anyone who wants a loving, friendly, loyal, dog !

[saintsboy]

On reading the first post i'm sorry that you have had a bad first time with staffys.I own a staff and can honestly say it's the most wonderful breed iv'e ever owned.
Who ever owned that dog must of been a moron as they only get like that if you let them.Sad thing is it's the dog that will pay the price.
Most staffys i have come in contact with are usally no more dangerous that a run of the mill family dog.
Chavs and staffys don't go as they think there great until they find out how much damaged a untrained one can do.
If you read the history of the breed you will be very surprized to find out why they were breed and how loyal to there handlers they were and how easy to rehome due to there trusting nature.
I would just like to say to any one reading these posts that staffys are not the dangerous dogs a lot of poeple think they are[they are pitbulls not the same breed] and can be very loving pets who are great with children.

i agree with this totally
he is the most loving and loyal dog
in my job i go to lots of different houses every day and staffys are the best dogs to meet, no issues with them at all
most other breds bark and snarl at me
i dont think i would have any other breed of dog except maybe a english bull terrier

[frosty]

i agree, staffys seem a great dog, its just we breed labs and norfolk terriers (not together!) so im biased towards them!

   Its not the dogs that are the problem its the bleepin owners!

[Range Rover Blues]

Never had a problem with other people's dogs being overly agresive but then I'm careful where I take them.

If I ever do there's always the bow and arrow........

But I think you shoul dhave to pass an exam before you are allowed to own a pet, there are too many idiots out there who can barely take responsibility for themselves.

[frosty]

But I think you shoul dhave to pass an exam before you are allowed to own a pet, there are too many idiots out there who can barely take responsibility for themselves.[/quote]

  I couldnt agree more. The other month a friend sold an 8wk old jack russell to "a very nice man" from london. The next day the  guy rang up in tears because his dog had been throwing up all night and had the squits. My friend advised a trip to the vets and then asked what hed been feding the dog.. the answer... just plain old chicken! The poor dog had been on dried food all his short life and the silly sod had put him on raw chicken!