Topic: So which and why? (Read 1145 times)

lambert · « **on:** August 29, 2007, 21:17:56 »

For a bit of everything on and off road, long wheel base or short?

strapping young lad · « **Reply #1 on:** August 29, 2007, 21:27:54 »

depends on your requirement On road

disco is a compromise between 90 and 110 (since its 100 inch wheelbase!)
RR are the same (well they used to be anyway)

sleeplessparadise · « **Reply #2 on:** August 29, 2007, 21:33:10 »

Much prefer the 90 for off roading than a 110 and discos are more than capable but I don't like them much cos of the body roll :lol: makes me travel sick :roll:

lambert · « **Reply #3 on:** August 29, 2007, 22:02:15 »

Was being general. After all i have a 96 incher which i think is ok for most stuff but can be bouncey.
Oh and not every 4x4 is a brit built rot box! :twisted:

dreadnought110 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 29, 2007, 22:13:37 »

Quote from: "Bigbluemaverick"

Oh and not every 4x4 is a brit built rot box! :twisted:

yikes!! had a bad experience then??? whatever happened to live and let live?? Nothing wrong with nissan's in drag!! but i wouldn't buy one oh and my dad had nissans for years but had loads of rot problems!! the only thing that normally out last's the body on some jap stuff is usually the Engine...Oh and lwb allday long just no room in swb for everday and occasional offroad use 8)

SWEETY · « **Reply #5 on:** August 29, 2007, 22:31:27 »

I like my SWB Terrano so there :lol: It's great for parking at the shops, up till now it's been ok off road :D As for the rot well it's 8 years old & got 2 rust scabs on the sills but that will be easy to fix when I get my finger out :roll: & as for room well my 15 year old son is 6'1" & still growing :shock: has no problems sitting in the back even on a long run
Sorry for ranting :oops: just court someone (11 year old) tampering with my motor on my drive :twisted: :twisted:

jonny ramrod · « **Reply #6 on:** August 29, 2007, 23:06:47 »

i used to work on and restore landies......i drive a frontera..

lambert · « **Reply #7 on:** August 29, 2007, 23:43:15 »

Bad experience? I should say. Had to have one for a previous job(coal mining engineer), had it two years and it needed a new bulk head as the metal worm had left two holes at the bottom hinges.

My nissan in a dress is 13 and has one bit of a hole in one front wing, not that the rest is pristean but one hole in 13 years versus 2 holes in 2 years?

Range Rover Blues · « **Reply #8 on:** August 30, 2007, 01:25:41 »

13 years, still a babby then. Blue is pushing 20 and seeing as it's spent the last 13 years playing in muck it's doing just fine. At least when it rusts there is something to weld to.

We don't often buy Japanese in our family and mostly when we have it's been a mistake. Like the brand new Micra I had that spent 5 weeks in the dealer's for a new gearbox, or the bitsa-missin my dad had that needed 2 new disks when it was 2 years old, at Â£140 a peice :shock: (and that was back when brake disks were not a consumable/service item).

AbyssDJ · « **Reply #9 on:** August 30, 2007, 01:33:46 »

im a fan of long wheelbase landies... more stable on road, but a bit more awkward off road. i dont dislike discoverys as such, but they're not for me.

we've given our 110 some grief, and a couple of times people have said "never seen a 110 over that way..." to which the reply was "you have now! :D". more than capable, just a bit more awkward than a short wheelbase. still... at least they dont get stuck in all the 90 sized holes :D

if someone gave me a wad of cash and told me to buy a land rover, id probably come back with a nice practical rapier 127. that said though, i do have a baby 88" on the way :P

dreadnought110 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 30, 2007, 07:30:20 »

Quote from: "Bigbluemaverick"

Bad experience? I should say. Had to have one for a previous job(coal mining engineer), had it two years and it needed a new bulk head as the metal worm had left two holes at the bottom hinges.
My nissan in a dress is 13 and has one bit of a hole in one front wing, not that the rest is pristean but one hole in 13 years versus 2 holes in 2 years?

hmm got a bad one then mine's 19 years old only just had 2 patches on the chassis bulkhead starting to go but hey at least i can replace it with a galvanised one and convert to whatever body type i require can even put a nice engine under the hood always fancied toyota 4.2 turbo diesel again have NOTHING against Jap vehicles and not spoiling for a slanging match so hey chill.. :? :? Oh and my dad now has a landcruiser amazon 4.2 turbo diesel runs rings round his old Nissans and yes i do like driving it! it pulls like a Train!! just always scared of scratching it.... :lol: :lol: and one last thing wouldn't have any other Land rover product other than a defender or series motor no disrespect to range rover/freelander/disco owners (hang on how diplomatic can i be??) :oops: and In Truth no manufacturer makes a perfect vehicle they all have problems isn't that why we love/hate them if everything lasted forever what would we have to moan about??

Mudlark · « **Reply #11 on:** August 30, 2007, 09:00:43 »

Having driven both long and short I'd now go for short every time, they are great off-road acceptable on the road - especially for parking.

Most family people that can only afford one would go for a LWB though

Don't believe this question is about marque though is it? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Terranosaurus · « **Reply #12 on:** August 30, 2007, 09:07:49 »

Quote from: "Bigbluemaverick"

Was being general. After all i have a 96 incher which i think is ok for most stuff but can be bouncey.
Oh and not every 4x4 is a brit built rot box! :twisted:

Remember a 90 is actually a 93" wheelbase, but for me SWB off road all the way they're just so much more manouverable, never mind ramp over, approach and departure etc, the later especially on our truck bigblue cos most of the difference between a SWB and a LWB T2/Mav is the rear overhang theres 7.8" difference in wheel base but 18.9" difference in length.

Rich_P · « **Reply #13 on:** August 30, 2007, 10:07:19 »

Quote from: "Bigbluemaverick"

Oh and not every 4x4 is a brit built rot box! :twisted:

Not everybody is a traitor to British engineering.

Thrasher · « **Reply #14 on:** August 30, 2007, 10:40:17 »

Having a 100" and a 114" - it's not *that* hard to tell the difference. However, the wheelbase isn't the whole story of course, the 114" wheelbase is 196" long :shock:

thermidorthelobster · « **Reply #15 on:** August 30, 2007, 10:49:21 »

Quote from: "Rich_P"

Not everybody is a traitor to British engineering.

"Engineering"? Is that what we call it? Hmph (he says, looking down at the size of the repair bill)

I can state now that a 161" wheel base gives a great ride, but it's not easy to manouvre around a forest setting, particularly without power steering.

Eeyore · « **Reply #16 on:** August 30, 2007, 10:50:14 »

In the UK forests a longer wheelbase can be a disadvantage (turning circle and all that), but everywhere else a longer wheelbase works as well, if not better.

From rockcrawlers to race machines, the longer wheelbases usually seem to have an advantage. Sure, everything tends to a limit and extreme examples can always be found but for general, laning, and 'froading and practicalities I would go longer rather than shorter.

Mind you, having said that, Simon Buck was victorious in the Outback Challenge Morroco in a 110 wheelbase truck.

Wildcats are 106", too.

Cheers
8)
Eeyore

Thrasher · « **Reply #17 on:** August 30, 2007, 10:57:42 »

Indeed :)

Most people think short wheelbases are better at trialing - however I've worked out why finally.

The answer of course is that the courses are set out with short wheelbase vehicles ;-)

The look on someones face when a longer wheelbase completes without error is often worth it :)

L90OOK · « **Reply #18 on:** August 30, 2007, 11:02:23 »

110's get my vote, great offroad, towing & plenty of room for family & spending weeks away from home :D

Terranosaurus · « **Reply #19 on:** August 30, 2007, 11:06:40 »

Quote from: "Rich_P"

Quote from: "Bigbluemaverick"
Oh and not every 4x4 is a brit built rot box! :twisted:

Not everybody is a traitor to British engineering.

No morgan are still British owned.

jonny ramrod · « **Reply #20 on:** August 30, 2007, 11:42:03 »

my opinion for what is worth.... :D

i used to drive lots of miles both on and off road for my work..

land rover 130...(or 127, or bloody big...whatever you want to call it..) was my main vehicle. performed well on road, very good off...would go almost anywhere i needed to get, even fully loaded. plenty of room in the crew cab for weeks away for 2 of us. Only broke down 3 or 4 times in a few years, mainly due to wear and tear.

land rover 90.....pick up with hard top. Horrible vehicle for traveling far and i would of used the 130 off road over it any time.

Hi-lux...lovely and comfy on road..just like a car. good performance. good load capabillity, sorry but it was poor in the rough stuff..but never broke, even with lots of abuse..

nissan navara..much the same as the hi-lux, but much better off road. Again, never broke.

terrano..nice an comfy..ok off road.. bloody thirsty was it's major downside...

So from a work vehicle point of view, lots of on and off road miles, daily abuse, driving up an down mountains, through muddy fields, over demolished industrial sites , and just about every other terrain you can imagin, then straight back onto the road for a 100 mile journey to the next place that needed work, carring a lot of weight etc etc ....i would choose the land rover any day of the week.

from a family vehicle point of view,,,

Disco was nice, never broke down, lots of room, used off road and for green laning, carring the family on extened camping trips around the uk.. faultless...

modded 90....crap on road, ace off, broke down a lot, 15 years old, chassis was scrap. Would not waste my hard earned on another...

Range rover classic...again, i would never have another...

Now for the shock....

frontera..swb and an lwb. Does everything i want it to. comfy, reliable, with it's 3 inch lift and mud terrians is just as capable as a 90 / 110 (sorry guys, it's true). Not to thirsty. in fact the only downsides to ownership are that the swb has sod all bootspace for my dogs, and off the shelf acessories are pretty much nonexistant...

So, thats my opinion.... then again, the father in law has a year old toyota land cruiser and swears by it....!!! So what do i know... :D :D

Mudlark · « **Reply #21 on:** August 30, 2007, 13:04:29 »

Quote from: "Rich_P"

Quote from: "Bigbluemaverick"
Oh and not every 4x4 is a brit built rot box! :twisted:

Not everybody is a traitor to British engineering.

To be quite honest I think Land-Rover products are the biggest traitors to Brit engineering

Why?

Because they build not to Brit engineering spec but to a 'how much we can line our pockets' spec

If a Land-Rover was built to Brit engineering spec it would rarely break off-road and on top of which if the pocket lining stopped then L-R would thrash Jap products every time

Eeyore · « **Reply #22 on:** August 30, 2007, 13:05:44 »

Quote from: "Thrasher"

Indeed :)

Most people think short wheelbases are better at trialing - however I've worked out why finally.

The answer of course is that the courses are set out with short wheelbase vehicles ;-)

The look on someones face when a longer wheelbase completes without error is often worth it :)

When on my travels I once witnessed a 110CSW defeat a v8 86" special in a club trial - that was worth watching! In fact, it beat everything that day!

That was worth watching. 8)

Cheers
8)
Eeyore

Lucy1978 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 30, 2007, 13:31:00 »

My preference lies somewhere between 100" and 102" :lol: though longer wheel bases do add stability especially on corrugated tracks at speed.

Range Rover Blues · « **Reply #24 on:** August 30, 2007, 14:43:32 »

Quote from: "climbingchris"

My preference lies somewhere between 100" and 102" :lol:

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