Commercial users of Green Lanes Kankku in particular !

[ChrisV8]

Just come back from a stupendous day green laning in the Lakes with a great bunch.

But the day was spoilt by me losing my rag with a guy in an 07 plate 90 well kitted up who was trying to drive the Grizedale Esthwaite track from East to West evidently as advised and as escorted previously by the pillock from Kankku. I apologise unreservedly to the guy as he was just not aware until we challenged him. Having spent a day with members from this forum repairing this lane in the Spring when Kankku appeared with paying guests driving this the wrong way as advised by the LDNP it is obvious we are soon going to have another lane TROd as he obviously thinks he as a Commercial user can ignore the requests of the LDNP, GLASS, LARA, TRF etc etc. All that will happen is his continued actions are going to be reported by the Bobblies. With a new green credentialled Chief Exec at the LDNP helm ex English Nature he will as he is allowed under NERC to TRO this lane. When it happens Mr Kankku I think at least an apology will be needed.

This man is a menace to us being able to use the few lanes left, but what can we do ?

Rant over.

Best bit of the day was leading a group with a D3 Disco and seeing how awsome these things are if you are prepared to use it absolutely stunning, no mods but fantastic ability.

[Steve ray]

I know how you feel mate, I've often seen a certain "commercial user" taking groups of 10-14 vehicles around areas with "high-bobble hat density" ....... like the Derbyshire Peaks on a Sunday !!   :twisted:  :twisted:

[DaveDavies]

Two things will mean we'll loose the lanes - big groups and muppets playing off track in the mud - it seems neither can be stopped? :(

[Yoshi]

Yeah, the fella from Kanku is a prat, he doesnt listen when he is told that something he is doing is wrong either.

Should report him to LDNPA and get them to contact him to tell him to stop.

[ChrisV8]

Yeah, the fella from Kanku is a prat, he doesnt listen when he is told that something he is doing is wrong either.

Should report him to LDNPA and get them to contact him to tell him to stop.

Problem is the prat knows and LDNP have asked him to abide by the request but he thinks he is above all. He also publicly boasts of being the first to break the speed limit on Windermere because he didn't like that either.

My fear is that we are going to lose this lane very soon due to him, the Trails advisor Dave Robinson has a new post and so all our good work and contact with him has gone. The new chief Exec is already spouting on about enhancing the Green Image of the LDNP so with his new powers available to TRO and close any route we are on borrowed time and the more the Bobblies complain with photograhic evidence of people not abiding by the Heirarchy of Trails advice we are on a total loser. We did notice a set of tracks at the Esthwaite end of this track going off route to avaiod some rocks, we suspect the guy in the 90 or another caught by the other party of vehicles in a daihatsu again going the wrong way.

Unfortunately my advice is if you want to drive the lanes in the Lakes don't leave it too long because we are going to lose them.  

[Wolfie]

Perhaps a TRO is the best option in this case.

Now before everyone shouts at me......


The legislation is very flexible, and one thing that it can offer is to define the diection that traffic can use the road.

Yes turn it into a one way street as is common on tarmac roads.

If all the clubs and the national park agree that it should only be used in one direction it shouldn't be a problem getting a  suitable TRO in place.

[ChrisV8]

:D Wolfie that is an excellent suggestion, I will pass that on to Geoff Wilson who sits on the Access Commitee, trouble is with the prat from Kankku's last escapade with the Windermere speed limit on boats, he will ignore it and then they will have all the reasons for a full TRO ! But a TRO will allow the police to prosecute him which may well bring all sorts of other things to light, how does he operate a LR Taxi for one !!!!! £200.00 for a ride round in one of his vehicles I understand !

[Defender]

Comment from Mr. Commercial Operator when told he was travelling the wrong way on said route, whilst passing a working party, including Geoff Wilson, Dave Robinson, Chris V8 & myself:

"I know I come across as a (the 'C' word), but I'm not"

Well, we kind of agreed, but what could we say? :lol:

[Steve ray]

"I know I come across as a (the 'C' word), but I'm not"

Well, we kind of agreed, but what could we say? :lol:

I would say that in his case, the cap clearly fits    :lol:

[ChrisV8]

Interestingly like others have said at least Kankku are not into having huge groups like some, it just annoys me that we keep to the request and he doesn't. The route has a history of being changed about so we will have to see what happens when Cumbria CC get more involved next year !

[Steve ray]

I know what you mean Chris V8 ........ when we've seen two of his "groups" out around The Peaks and there's 14 in one group and 11 or 12 in another ...... all paying £30 odd quid a throw!!


It's pure profit before everything else.

[ChrisV8]

:( That can't be Kankku have a look on their web site, taxi ride £200.00, tag along £89.00 last time I looked.

But there are plenty of other "organisers" who take large numbers out only paying lip service to any recommendations. :roll:

[lambert]

Just out of curiosity why would you pay to tag along? You don't get charged to follow someone on a motorway or b road so why would any one be dozy enough to do so on a green lane? If you know what i mean?

[Guardian.]

I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ALL THE ABOVE, BUT ONE THING REALLY SEEMS A BIT WEIRD.
WHAT DIFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT WAY YOU DRIVE IT, LEFT TO RIGHT, OR RIGHT TO LEFT?

[lambert]

I don't know this particular lane but in general going up an incline will often loosen the surface more than going down it, as a spun wheel will flick material more than a sliding one, if you follow my logic?

[Disco Matt]

Just out of curiosity why would you pay to tag along? You don't get charged to follow someone on a motorway or b road so why would any one be dozy enough to do so on a green lane? If you know what i mean?

I guess if you're new to it all, haven't yet made contact with your local greenlaning fraternity, and want some security (in terms of having someone else navigate and recover you if needed) you might be tempted to pay for this. Certainly before joining Powys 4x4 Response and then Mud Club I didn't realise that there are active greenlaners in this area who seem quite happy to have extra people joining their trips!

[ChrisV8]

I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ALL THE ABOVE, BUT ONE THING REALLY SEEMS A BIT WEIRD.
WHAT DIFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT WAY YOU DRIVE IT, LEFT TO RIGHT, OR RIGHT TO LEFT?

Legally nothing, but LDNP have an agreement with 4x4 and bike users to keep to a list of agreed routings under the Hierarchy of Trails agreement to try and cut down misuse, wear and for Safety. Most of the routes in the Lakes are narrow so passing on some would be very difficult or only by reversing a long way. Works very well but some just don't want to have any rules, this may well lead them (LDNP)to close them totally under NERC powers.

That is what we are trying to preserve.

http://lrboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=5197

and yes that is a D3 being used in anger, absolutely superb although we think he lost the spare tyre on a rock !!

Have a look here at what I mean about HOT

http://www.lake-district.gov.uk/index/enjoying/outdoors/green_roads.htm

[Defender]

There are only two lanes in the LDNPA with voluntary one way restraints on them: U5050, 'The Fox' in Grizedale HERE, which should be driven West to East & U5001, Tilberthwaite to Little Langdale HERE, which should be driven South to North.
THIS LANE is no 4x4's as it is too narrow & THIS LANE has a permanent TRO on it.
The first two lanes have a one way restraint for 4x4's as they are very narrow in places & passing vehicles coming the other way can be tricky without having to reverse to a suitable spot or without leaving the track.
Whilst the restraints are voluntary, any non-compliance only plays into the hands of those that would rather not see us there at all.
I can almost hear them saying "well you can't even adhere to your own guidelines, so we want a complete ban"
The lanes in the LDNPA have dataloggers on them & these log vehicle direction, group sizes, time of day & whether motorcycle or 4x4. (incidentally, dataloggers are now being used in the Yorkshire Dales also)
This info is available not only to the HoTR group, but also to the anti groups.