Ive been a bad boy!

[BigSi]

Been a bad boy today!!!!

Trying to get home after work before the light finally disappeared. Got stuck behind a tractor and trailer with no place of overtaking. Followed it for a mile until reaching a clear stretch of road with double while lines in the middle. As nothing was approaching decided to overtake the tractor…..big mistake!!! Further down the road saw blue flashing lights behind me, and got pulled in by the Police. Now three points and sixty pounds down!

But hey, I’m not bitter! It was my stupid mistake and the boys in blue were only doing there job. Bit disappointed that it was only a squad car and not one of there Range Rovers that pulled me in!   :)  :)  :)  :)

[hairyasswelder]

:smack:

At least you admit your mistake  =D>

[L90OOK]

I don't suppose it was a highway maintenance vehicle?

Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.

[Thrasher]

What do you do if you pull out on normal lines, but they change halfway through maneuver???

[BigSi]

I don't suppose it was a highway maintenance vehicle?

Sadly not. Just the local farmer collecting hay bails from the fields.

[crazymac]

The Highway Code 127-132: Lines and lane markings on the roadSee 'Road markings' for diagrams of all lines.

Download 'Road markings' (PDF, 715K) Help with PDF files 127
A broken white line. This marks the centre of the road. When this line lengthens and the gaps shorten, it means that there is a hazard ahead. Do not cross it unless you can see the road is clear and wish to overtake or turn off.

128
Double white lines where the line nearest to you is broken. This means you may cross the lines to overtake if it is safe, provided you can complete the manoeuvre before reaching a solid white line on your side. White direction arrows on the road indicate that you need to get back onto your side of the road.

129
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.


[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26]

130
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
if the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency

[Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)]

In particular rule 129. if the tractor was travelling at less than 10MPH you can legally overtake!

[crazymac]

Sorry I've doubled up there, I had a gap between bringing the page up to reply and replying due to bedtime duties :roll:

[P16LET]

crazymac

In particular rule 129. if the tractor was travelling at less than 10MPH you can legally overtake!

Alas, even if the tractor had been travelling less than 10mph, it would still have been an illegal maneouver    

As, by definition, a tractor is neither classed as a push bike, a horse or a maintenance vehicle....the only time this rule might apply and I would think it would be at the discretion of the officer, would be if the tractor was contracted to the local council for hedge cutting and/or verge management purposes and only if it was carrying out such work at the time.  :?

[richo]

Lots of my mates overtake on doubles and i'm first to point out there there for a reason

[BigSi]

Do I have to inform my insurance company? Fully paid up till late next year.

[Evilgoat]

Do I have to inform my insurance company? Fully paid up till late next year.

I beleive so :(

[crazymac]

What do you do if you pull out on normal lines, but they change halfway through maneuver???

If seen you get nicked, as you should have seen the restriction coming. I was being recovered back to Wales from Birmingham a few years ago and the AA man got nicked for that very offence, he was WELL PEED OFF

[graham]

I met a police transit van on a blind corner overtaking on my side of the road, she crossed double white lines. I wonder what would have happend if she'd hit me.
The van had blue light on but i think it was reckless to overtake on a blind corner, I had no way of seeing as the road has high hedges and it was daylight.
We did avoid eachother, just, I should have reported the incident.

I thought police had advanced driving skills.  :roll:

[Skibum346]

I met a police transit van on a blind corner overtaking on my side of the road, she crossed double white lines. I wonder what would have happend if she'd hit me.
The van had blue light on but i think it was reckless to overtake on a blind corner, I had no way of seeing as the road has high hedges and it was daylight.
We did avoid eachother, just, I should have reported the incident.

I thought police had advanced driving skills.  :roll:

Not all polics officers have advanced driver training.

IIRC there is a basic driving competence assessment, a "blues & twos" assessment and some form of pursuit qualification.

Can't see an officer issued with a transit being pursuit qualified. Despite the image of the transit perpetuated by "The Sweeney" it's not known for it's speed or cornering ability!  :lol:

[Range Rover Blues]

 Despite the image of the transit perpetuated by "The Sweeney" it's not known for it's speed or cornering ability!  :lol:

That depends which model you get

[crazymac]

Oh yes it is :(biggrin):

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc5rDc4Fc0&feature=related

Scary

[William]

Police tend to be reckless drivers, i always thort they were ment to be advanced, yet ive seen more police cars crash then the motorists they are chasing! Infact they kill more inocent people in pursuits than the people they are chasing. Altho on saying that the firearms squad seem to match these statisitcs too! haha.

[rollazuki]

Bit harsh.

[narked]

Can't see an officer issued with a transit being pursuit qualified. Despite the image of the transit perpetuated by "The Sweeney" it's not known for it's speed or cornering ability!  :lol:

Depends on the colour of the van...

[crazymac]

Police tend to be reckless drivers, i always thort they were ment to be advanced, yet ive seen more police cars crash then the motorists they are chasing! Infact they kill more inocent people in pursuits than the people they are chasing. Altho on saying that the firearms squad seem to match these statisitcs too! haha.

bit harsh that :?:

The police I see are generally good drivers, accidents will happen when they are travelling at speed, its inevitable, and they also get collared for it by thier bosses, if they have a couple of crashes I believe they have to re do their police test!!

Thing to remember as well, is that the idiots that the police are chasing are the ones at fault!!! If they were not commiting crimes or running from the police then there wouldn't be police accidents during the chase!!!

As soon as you run from the police I think that you should be held responsible for anything that happens, I.E. some poor innocent gets maimed or killed then the charges should be laid against the guy thats running :idea:

[BigSi]

Just been looking at the green slip, and was wondering what the offence code TS15 or T515 (can't read his writing), was?  :-k  :-k  :-k  :-k

[ChrisW]

http://www.cma.uk.com/endorsement_codes.htm

[JumboBeef]

It's a TS15 ~ more info.

[Landynuts]

I met a police transit van on a blind corner overtaking on my side of the road, she crossed double white lines. I wonder what would have happend if she'd hit me.
The van had blue light on but i think it was reckless to overtake on a blind corner, I had no way of seeing as the road has high hedges and it was daylight.
We did avoid each other, just, I should have reported the incident.

I thought police had advanced driving skills.  :roll:

I have spent the last 17 years driving a wide variety of emergency response vehicles and the basic rule of thumb is:- when driving on an emergency call (Blue's and Two's are at the drivers discretion), if you are involved in an accident you are considered responsible unless proved otherwise.

[William]

so following that rule, drive to an incident how u feel even if it causes another incident? Altho that would explain the number of court cases, deaths, and wreckless driving incidents from police that have been in the papers and on the news? One emergency is bad enough without causing another

[crazymac]

so following that rule, drive to an incident how u feel even if it causes another incident? Altho that would explain the number of court cases, deaths, and wreckless driving incidents from police that have been in the papers and on the news? One emergency is bad enough without causing another

I'm not sure you read that post above right? That says that it is the emergency vehicle drivers responsibility if they are in an accident!! until it gets investigated and proven otherwise.

It is inevitable that the emergency services will be involved in accidents, they are driving in extreme circumstances to save lives like yours and mine and to catch the scroats that cause so many problems in our society!

[Wireless]

I'm retired from the Ambulance Service.

You don't see that many ambulances involved in accidents, and the transit one's I used to drive were V6, and the LDV's were V8 (115mph), and I've had 135mph out of the fast response vehicle.

I think the fact that if we had a accident, that yet another vehicle would need to be sent to the job we were going to, plus we might need one for our accident, was (is?) always paramount in the mind of an Ambulance Technician / Paramedic, plus we don't get red mist as we're not chasing anyone, which must be a factor.

[Boggert]

Police tend to be reckless drivers, i always thort they were ment to be advanced, yet ive seen more police cars crash then the motorists they are chasing! Infact they kill more inocent people in pursuits than the people they are chasing. Altho on saying that the firearms squad seem to match these statisitcs too! haha.

Ok lets see the facts this statement is based on.....

[littlepow]

Police tend to be reckless drivers, i always thort they were ment to be advanced, yet ive seen more police cars crash then the motorists they are chasing! Infact they kill more inocent people in pursuits than the people they are chasing. Altho on saying that the firearms squad seem to match these statisitcs too! haha.

Ok lets see the facts this statement is based on.....

Is a bit harsh, yes the police might be involved in more accidents than other proffesional drivers. But to the same extend, they don't have to travel at speeds exceeding those posted. Try to get to an incident to prevent further injury or loss of life, or stop someone bent on causing chaos and destruction in an attempt to getaway with a crime.

That and the press always seem to take joy in publishing failures of any of the emergency service.

[graham]

In the incedent the police transit was overtaking a Hummer so there was not a lot of room for all 3 of us.  :shock:
I don't know why she felt justified to overtake on such a bend i was a bit shaken up, but nothing surprises me anymore.
I was coming up the M6 tonight on the stretch between Preston and Lancaster was about 3 miles into the part with no carriageway lights, a car came up the fast lane with just side lights, its pitch black on that section.