90mph Cop

[Evilgoat]

*sigh*

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/7144290.stm

I think deep down we knew it would happen.

[skip]

If it had be you or me, they would have bent us over, greased us up, then aimed for penetration :shock:

Every time a copper does anything like this nothing is done, it's just a case of closing ranks and protecting their mates :roll:

[Niel]

The P.A. can't be arsed to do anything, incase it would mean having to replace him, not a quick or painless exercise.

The magistrates however need a good kick in the arse for such a piddling fine and short ban, either, or BOTH could, perhaps SHOULD, have been bigger/longer (ooh er missis), the fact he'd had to give up the ACPO roads remit was NO reason to let him off lightly, IMHO they should have made a proper example of him, how long ago, if ever, did he do his advanced training and reassessment?

Though with all the scameras now in place and all the automatic guilty verdicts by machine, I suppose they don't get many purely speeding cases anymore.

On the subject of scameras, how many of you have noticed an INCREASE in speeding in 30 zones with scameras away from them?
I postulate this theory: drivers having observed the scamera believe the rest of the road is 'safe' to speed along, whereas before without the visual clue to the 'apparent' danger area they may have treated the whole road as higher risk and slowed accordingly.

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

If it had be you or me, they would have bent us over, greased us up, then aimed for penetration :shock:

Every time a copper does anything like this nothing is done, it's just a case of closing ranks and protecting their mates :roll:

What a load of BS you've come out with! :roll:  :roll: Think of something less cliched than that! :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
 
I took a Police Officer to court for speeding, 65 in a 30. The evidence was there, he got convicted and walked away with 3 points and £100. Is that my fault? No. The court made the decision.
I wanted him banned, as he had shown no remorse thinking he had the God given right to speed 'because he was Job'.
As far as I was concerned, he should have been banned for a couple of weeks, slammed with a big fine and then hammered for bringing the Force into disrepute.
But the Magistrate had obviously been done for speeding recently himself, as his words "As there are two officers saying you were speeding, I have no option but to find you guilty".

I have never shirked from my duty or tried to close ranks when I have had to deal with a Police Officer for a criminal or any kind of matter, In fact you are very concious of doing things 100% as it will very closely looked at.
I resent the implication that you make.
I'm sure there are those who have done as you suggest, and the only time that I have known it to happen in over 17 years of doing this Job, the officer ended up inside HMP for 6 months.
If  Med Hughes had been dealt with in the normal way that those caught on camera are dealt with, namely summons via the post, guilty plea, fine and points, you would have turned round and quacked on about "It's a set up, he was let off, blah blah"
As I mentioned on another post, Med Hughes was a [ed: naughty] for doing what he did, and in no way do I agree with what he did.

[Boggert]

If it had be you or me, they would have bent us over, greased us up, then aimed for penetration :shock:

Every time a copper does anything like this nothing is done, it's just a case of closing ranks and protecting their mates :roll:

I'm a bit lost here... he is banned for 42 days and fined £350. It is his employers who have done nothing. He is being punished.

To be fair he was a stupid fool who has made a prat of him self and is paying for it.

What more should be done to him???

[Evilgoat]

If it had be you or me, they would have bent us over, greased us up, then aimed for penetration :shock:

Every time a copper does anything like this nothing is done, it's just a case of closing ranks and protecting their mates :roll:

I'm a bit lost here... he is banned for 42 days and fined £350. It is his employers who have done nothing. He is being punished.

To be fair he was a stupid fool who has made a prat of him self and is paying for it.

What more should be done to him???

Look at other professions where driving is required, this would have been him flying a desk for a career or sacked as gross misconduct. AND this guy is sat here telling us all that speed kills blah blah, you think it right that he be allowed to carry on with 'Do as I say not do as I do?'

Sorry I dont. He should have been removed from his post. But we all knew that would never happen.

[Boggert]

If it had be you or me, they would have bent us over, greased us up, then aimed for penetration :shock:

Every time a copper does anything like this nothing is done, it's just a case of closing ranks and protecting their mates :roll:

I'm a bit lost here... he is banned for 42 days and fined £350. It is his employers who have done nothing. He is being punished.

To be fair he was a stupid fool who has made a prat of him self and is paying for it.

What more should be done to him???

Look at other professions where driving is required, this would have been him flying a desk for a career or sacked as gross misconduct. AND this guy is sat here telling us all that speed kills blah blah, you think it right that he be allowed to carry on with 'Do as I say not do as I do?'

Sorry I dont. He should have been removed from his post. But we all knew that would never happen.

yep sorry... I was being dense... i see what you are saying. I don't know realy, but i kinda figure i I lost my licence I would loose my job.
But hay its up to the Police authority, not the police, so I guess they are to blame.

[mike142sl]

I still think they should have put him back on the beat for those 42 days.

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

I still think they should have put him back on the beat for those 42 days.

That would have been interesting to watch!

[skip]

What a load of BS you've come out with!   Think of something less cliched than that!    

If I was caught doing that, it would most likley mean a 3 month ban if not 6, a hefty fine (not just a couple of hundred) and the loss of my job and the ability to get another, ergo bye bye house and life. so NO IT IS NOT BS!!!!!!

If you resent my implications then I suggest you go out and get a real job where the hardest part ain't the paper work. Then take note of how easy it is to lose your licence and your means of making a living in one simple step,

Every time I see a case in the paper or has it been talked about, the police officer has got off very light compared to your average working man, my perception is based upon what I hear and read, same as everyone else

If you don't like it too bad.

[Boggert]

My Mate was caught speeding on Christmas day a few years ago he was doing 105mph on the A1...

He got 6 points and a 500 fine which I thought was unfair as he should have got a ban. In court he said he would loose his job if banned so the let him keep his licence.

To be fair I think the man should have been busted down to constable for 42 days and gone on foot patrol... As LSP said that would have been a sight to see :lol:

What you guys don't see is all the times we go to court and the driver gets away with it. The drink driver who was seen to crash his car and then followed by a member of the public as he staggers to his home address. Where he is arrested for a PBT (Positive breath test) in court there is a period where he is not see for 3 minutes, he claims he has drunk the equivalent of 6 whiskeys in that time, he gets away with it.…

And the lady who is on the mobile phone who shouts not out, and its dropped in court because of lack of evidence, the statements from the traffic officers are not enough.

i can assure you there are loads of times where the public get away with it, but is not published by the press.

[Bulli]

gets away with it is irrelevant in my opinion.

this guy is the chief constable and as such has a responsibilty to act accordingly. so him doing 90 in a 60 is not the same as me doing 90 in a 60.

He should have been replaced in his job, simple as that. How can he now tell me im a naughty boy for doing exactly what he clearly believes to be ok?? Im not saying he should lose his job but a ban would mean i was out of work and lots of others are in the same boat, so why should he be protected??

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

What a load of BS you've come out with!   Think of something less cliched than that!    

If I was caught doing that, it would most likley mean a 3 month ban if not 6, a hefty fine (not just a couple of hundred) and the loss of my job and the ability to get another, ergo bye bye house and life. so NO IT IS NOT BS!!!!!!

If you resent my implications then I suggest you go out and get a real job where the hardest part ain't the paper work. Then take note of how easy it is to lose your licence and your means of making a living in one simple step,

Every time I see a case in the paper or has it been talked about, the police officer has got off very light compared to your average working man, my perception is based upon what I hear and read, same as everyone else

If you don't like it too bad.

I think you'll find that someone is only banned as a result of speeding if they have reached the 100+ mark, and that goes for everyone.
As for perceptions. Do you believe everything that you read in the Press?
Perhaps the families of Sharon Beshenivsky, Keith Blakelock, Glenn Goodman,Richard Gray and a multitude of other officers who have died protecting the public should know they weren't doing a real job.
Thankfully we live in a democracy, so you are entitled to your opinions. Anyway I must go now, as I have to start looking for a job that is more worthwhile and with no paperwork.

[Boggert]

Whats with the real job dig...Unless you have done any Police work I suggest you say nothing.

You have no conception of what the Police do on a day to day basis and I can tell you that from real life experience as I joined at the age of 35! Its nothing like what you read in the papers or see on the telly.

And before you have another dig, its not the police's decision whether this guy stays in post or not it the Police authority who decide and that is made up from members of the public like you!

[mike142sl]

Apparently, according to a magistrate friend, his original ban would have been 62 days but because he entered a guilty plea from the start the Magistrates have to reduce the ban by a third - so in this case he ended up with 42 days.

I feel sorry for the local police bods now, they are the ones who will be getting more grief from speeders bent on making a point about their chief getting a relatively lenient punishment.

[mike142sl]

I suggest you go out and get a real job where the hardest part ain't the paper work.

:shock:  Are you serious? Paper work harder than dealing with irrational drunks throwing up all over the place, and throwing their fists about as well, Harder than picking up the bits of drivers who total themselves in a motorway pile up, Harder than dealing with the deaths young children drowned after their vehicle fell into a river?.

I do a lot of paper work in my job, I didn't realise it was so traumatic  :?

One thing is certain, there are few of us who could genuinely do that job, and those that do have my respect. If I did that job I think I would look very much like LSPs avatar.

[skip]

Perhaps the families of Sharon Beshenivsky, Keith Blakelock, Glenn Goodman,Richard Gray and a multitude of other officers who have died protecting the public should know they weren't doing a real job.

People die far messier deaths in their jobs every day, in fact being shot or or having a knife go through would be far more preferable than getting caught in a piece of large machinery. Most of us go to work everyday knowing there is a very real chance of not goin home again, why does everyone get worked up when it's a member of the police force.

its not the police's decision whether this guy stays in post or not it the Police authority who decide and that is made up from members of the public like you!

It's defintley not people like me! the people your talking about are those who love to interfere in buisiness that doesn't really concern them,but when they've actually got to make a hard decision they go weak at the knees in fear of doing the wrong thing. they are the bobble hatted rambler types we all hate!

[Boggert]

So what you are saying anyone who put something back into the country, like members of the police authority are the bobble hat types....Hmmmm interesting

You know there are people who "Do and people who don't" which one are you?

[skip]

you don't think that helping to keep gloucestshire above water is not putting back into the country then? I do my bit too pal.

I just don't feel the need to sit around a table and pontificate about what should and shouldn't be.

[mdw1uk]

i cant believe what your saying! its discraceful!
people like boggert, lsp have such hard jobs trying to maintain some sort of law, whether or not you think it makes sense.
my dads a special constable, so he gains nothing finacially, he does it off his own back! he has a full time job aswel! and every time he goes out policing i worry so much, knowing that theres soo much scum in this country that would not hesitate to stab! kick the s**t outa him for trying to help out there local community!
and for you to say the hardest part of their jobs is the paperwork! you infuriate me, two years ago on xmas eve my dad found a car full of old people in a ditch on the a1, stone cold! xmas presents all over the place! they were on there way down to see there family! that mentally upset my dad for like two days! he hardly said anything over xmas! but we knew wat was wrong and he got over it, but it was hard for him!  hes had some one die in his arms the same age as me in a RTA! mate you just dont know what these people do! sure its not every day something tradgeic happens, they have routine work that they do, enforcing warrants, speed enforcement! etc etc but seriously pay these guys/girls some respect! there is no way you could do what they do in such a professional way!
And as for saying there are other jobs that come with deaths! well for sure! im an agricultural mechanic! people die in the industry all the time! youd be surprised how many people i know with limbs missing! and im 18! you know just show a little respect! sure the top man getting caught speeding is disgraceful but dont bring it down onto other members of the force! there job is HARD no questions about it!
patrick lsp carry on doing us proud!!!
anyone that finds it necceasry to carry on insulting the police force ought to spend a week with them and see how hard it actually is!!!!!!

[schuee]

i cant believe what your saying! its discraceful!
people like boggert, lsp have such hard jobs trying to maintain some sort of law, whether or not you think it makes sense.
my dads a special constable, so he gains nothing finacially, he does it off his own back! he has a full time job aswel! and every time he goes out policing i worry so much, knowing that theres soo much scum in this country that would not hesitate to stab! kick the s**t outa him for trying to help out there local community!
and for you to say the hardest part of their jobs is the paperwork! you infuriate me, two years ago on xmas eve my dad found a car full of old people in a ditch on the a1, stone cold! xmas presents all over the place! they were on there way down to see there family! that mentally upset my dad for like two days! he hardly said anything over xmas! but we knew wat was wrong and he got over it, but it was hard for him!  hes had some one die in his arms the same age as me in a RTA! mate you just dont know what these people do! sure its not every day something tradgeic happens, they have routine work that they do, enforcing warrants, speed enforcement! etc etc but seriously pay these guys/girls some respect! there is no way you could do what they do in such a professional way!
And as for saying there are other jobs that come with deaths! well for sure! im an agricultural mechanic! people die in the industry all the time! you'd be surprised how many people i know with limbs missing! and im 18! you know just show a little respect! sure the top man getting caught speeding is disgraceful but don't bring it down onto other members of the force! there job is HARD no questions about it!
Patrick lsp carry on doing us proud!!!
anyone that finds it necessary to carry on insulting the police force ought to spend a week with them and see how hard it actually is!!!!!!

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Well said mate, everyone has a purpose in this life, I for one can only applaud the everyday foot sloggers work, lets face it the have enough on their plate without the usual slagging off they receive.

[skip]

Clearly those who come to the defence of the police are those that have never done any hard work in their lives.

Go hauling for 180 hours solid with the only chance for some food,rest or toilet is when the fuel tank needs refilling.

Go be a herds man for a day and get half your ribs smashed by two tonne bull and still finish the job because there's no one else to do it for you before you can go to hospital.

Go work on the crew that has to scrape up the mess of dead bodys and parts that the police found after the RTA. (The smell is really quite somthing, very much like walking into a butchers shop)

Then come and tell my the police have a hard life! I bet you wouldn't.

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Clearly those who come to the defence of the police are those that have never done any hard work in their lives.

Go hauling for 180 hours solid with the only chance for some food,rest or toilet is when the fuel tank needs refilling.

Go be a herds man for a day and get half your ribs smashed by two tonne bull and still finish the job because there's no one else to do it for you before you can go to hospital.

Go work on the crew that has to scrape up the mess of dead bodys and parts that the police found after the RTA. (The smell is really quite somthing, very much like walking into a butchers shop)

Then come and tell my the police have a hard life! I bet you wouldn't.

Go hauling for 180hrs solid. Nice. Break the law and put other road users at risk? Thats responsible.

Continue working with 11 other colleagues to subdue a crowd of 200 angry, drunk men, having sustained broken ribs after being kickked to the ground trying to stop a mate from being stabbed. Yeah thats pretty mundane and normal.

Or how about holding a girls hand and trying to do first aid to keep her alive after her internal organs have been mashhed after she came off her motorbike and hit the front of an artic and having her die in your arms and telling her parents afterwards. Pass me a doughnut.

Or how about picking up someones head after they've commited suicide by putting their neck on track of the railway. Everyday stuff.

Or how about facing someone with a gun who wants to kill you? Not worthwhile.

Or how about turning up to a house where the son of the family has doused himself in petrol, set himself on fire in front of his parents. Barbecue pork anyone?

I don't want anyone's sympathy, as I have to live with what I have seen and dealt with, as do my family.

I have sympathy for you Skip, for the following reasons.

Perhaps you need to change jobs as you are obviously forced to break the Law on a regular basis and work longer than you have to. Speak to Citizens Advice. They are free and very helpful.

Something in your past has caused you to be jarred with the Police. Can I suggest counselling to get over it?

If you are genuinely that unhappy with the service that you may or may not have got, don't bother calling again.

If you feel you can do better, please join up. I can give you some contact details for your local Police Service who, I'm sure, would be delighted to employ someone with your level of people skills and broad mindedness.

Have a nice day, and remember kids, don't step on the cracks in the pavement, or the nasty Rozzers will get you!

[agent006]

you don't think that helping to keep gloucestshire above water is not putting back into the country then? I do my bit too pal.

What specifically did you do?

[Skibum346]

:(bigshock):

Skip... it's simple... your wrong.

LSP, Boggert et al.  You get my thanks and supprt.

I've been wrong in the past, I've been in situations where other people have done wrong and I've been treated curteously. Or should I say appropriate to my own manner.

The Ch Insp put his hands up and admited he was wrong, he received a punishment that is appropriate according to the tariff associated with the crime. He stood down from his position in traffic and is now in a diffirent role. Job done.

When you can show me a case, like for like, where something different has opccured, I may pay attention to some of your ranti... *'scuse me* points.

Till then... sorry... not listening.

 [-(

[redhand]

About 20 years ago I had to have  a police check done for my job it when it came back it stretched to 10 pages, I have been to court 11 times (most between the ages of 11 and 14) I have been driving bikes for 30 years (5 of those I was under age and on dirt bikes round fields and old quarries) I drive fast, My passengers have been known to swear they'd never get in a car with me ever again. and I've been stopped more times than I care to count.

So I feel that I have a bit of experience of dealing with the Police. and I would say that 9 times out of ten I have had a reasonable and polite conversation with a public servant doing his job as best he/she can. I have also dealt with absolute tossers who get very upset when the sight of their uniform doesn't reduce me to a quivering respectful wreck who thinks the sun shines out of there nether regions. But the same could be said of any profession. I have nothing but respect for the police. and I couldn't do their job. I know if I was called out to a hit and run or drink driver who had hit a child, I wouldn't be able to resist the urge to kick the living daylights out of the driver.

And I certainly wouldn't dream of blaming Rank and File officers for the policies that their superiors and politicans have put in place.

So my advice is if you don't like the police don't do anything that will make them have to interact with you. If you do don't blame the police because you were stupid enough to get caught.

[schuee]

Clearly those who come to the defence of the police are those that have never done any hard work in their lives.

 :shock:  :shock:
Clearly those who judge others, whilst knowing nothing about them are not worth listening to.

[skip]

Go hauling for 180hrs solid. Nice. Break the law and put other road users at risk? Thats responsible

This is just an assumption that I've been breaking the law, I never said I was anywhere near a road, and don't then say well you were breaking the working time directive then, I signed the waiver.

Clearly those who judge others, whilst knowing nothing about them are not worth listening to.

Suffice to say that two very close relatives of mine are police officers, all I ever hear is how hard it is and how they arent paid enough etc etc. I've met enough of them to form a pretty good opinon. I say tough up put your head down or leave and find a more agreeable profession, just don't bloody moan about it.

LSP my original post was a generalisation and not directed at any individual, you chose to take it as a personal affront. Are you that insecure about what you do for a living that you have to defend it?  Perhaps it's time to re'evaluate your career.

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Go hauling for 180hrs solid. Nice. Break the law and put other road users at risk? Thats responsible

This is just an assumption that I've been breaking the law, I never said I was anywhere near a road, and don't then say well you were breaking the working time directive then, I signed the waiver.

Clearly those who judge others, whilst knowing nothing about them are not worth listening to.

Suffice to say that two very close relatives of mine are police officers, all I ever hear is how hard it is and how they arent paid enough etc etc. I've met enough of them to form a pretty good opinon. I say tough up put your head down or leave and find a more agreeable profession, just don't bloody moan about it.

LSP my original post was a generalisation and not directed at any individual, you chose to take it as a personal affront. Are you that insecure about what you do for a living that you have to defend it?  Perhaps it's time to re'evaluate your career.

If you agreed to sign the waiver, good for you, more cash to the bank and that adds upto a better life style.
I'm not in anyway insecure about my job. If I was I would have left years ago. You have pride in what you do, as do I. Is that wrong?
I wouldn't consider that I have been moaning about my job, quite the opposite in fact.
You made an assumption at the beginning of the thread, and I made one towards the end. As you are no doubt aware it has been said that to assume, makes an ass out of you and me. Isn't equality great?

[skip]

You made an assumption at the beginning of the thread, and I made one towards the end. As you are no doubt aware it has been said that to assume, makes an ass out of you and me. Isn't equality great?

Well I said things in the heat of the moment that I now wish I hadn't, so yeah I spose it is.