inner front wing

[Dr.Ed]

Got the MOT on the truck the other day and had an advisory on the front nearside inner wing being slightly rusty - for "slightly rusty" read 5mm gap across whole of horizontal section! is this a welding job to repair or is there a simple bolt in replacement panel or can i go for pop riveting a piece of angle iron over the crack?

Thanks!

[redhand]

Technically the inner wing on most disco's isn't an MOT testable item. As it isn't welded to the bulkhead nor is the vehicle dependant on the wing for it's structural integrity. The only exception to this is if it has anything mounted on it that affects the safety of the vehicle. In this case their are components of the ABS system fixed ro the wing of those discos that have ABS fitted. I say Poprivet a plate over it and refer next years tester to the MOT testers manual. If it isn't in the manual he can't test it. and he can only test items exactly as described in the manual.

Of course if you upset him he's likely to find something else to fail you on. So it's a no win situation really  :(

[andyb]

Nearside inner wing (as Redhand has said) will be where the ABS pump is located and could be the reason for failure.

As for the other side, depending on it's proximity to the battery it could be argued that it could lead to an insecure battery.......you'd have to be pretty picky tho :).......there are also brake pipe brackets in that region too.

[boss]

hypothetically..........could i chop mine out??? mine are a "little" rusty and tyres catch on them. so what is being said is as long as there is nothing mounted to them its all hunkydory :D

[crazymac]

As has been said its all about wether there is components attached to the inner wing, on the offside, the brake servo is within a "beachball" size of most of the wing, so if there is any corrosion in that area then it is a fail item as well.

[Dr.Ed]

the only thing attached to it is the air filter (200 TDi so no ABS) and it was only an MOT advisory - truck passed 1st time! think i'll go donw the angle iron route - just need to find some now.

Thanks all.

[redhand]

As has been said its all about wether there is components attached to the inner wing, on the offside, the brake servo is within a "beachball" size of most of the wing, so if there is any corrosion in that area then it is a fail item as well.

Brake servo is on the bulkhead. The bulkhead doesn't rely on the innerwing for structural integrity so it's not a failure.

[crazymac]

As has been said its all about wether there is components attached to the inner wing, on the offside, the brake servo is within a "beachball" size of most of the wing, so if there is any corrosion in that area then it is a fail item as well.

Brake servo is on the bulkhead. The bulkhead doesn't rely on the innerwing for structural integrity so it's not a failure.

I did struggle with it, but it was a definate failure for me! the tester stated that ANY corrosion within 30cm of a safety component is a fail. He said to imagine a beach ball, and hold it at the component to judge it from there.

[redhand]

Aye most of them say that but it's not true. Problem is most MOT testers work on Monocoque cars (Body & chassis all one) and they think landies are just like anyother car. But they're not. Testers are bound by the manual and if you have a look in the manual it says that the 30cm corrosion rule only applies to structural panels.

This is from the MOT testers site
It is worth noting that not everything constituting a motor vehicle is a testable item.
It is fair to say that if the testers manual does not specifically mention an item it is not possible for an mot station to test it and fail it.

Also from the manual reffered to above is this section. http://www.motuk.co.uk/mot_appendix_c.htm This paragraph is the most important oneas far as Landrover owners are concerned It may also affect other 4x4 built along similar lines to a Landy.

A small amount of corrosion on an important part of a vehicle structure can make a vehicle unsafe where it destroys the continuity of the load-bearing structure.
On the other hand, heavy corrosion of unimportant sections may have no effect on the vehicle's safety.
Corrosion of a particular part, such as a body sill, may be very important on one type of construction, but of less importance on another.

To assist with the assessment of corrosion sections 2, 3 and 5 of the manual identify the parts of the vehicle structure which are particularly important and to which particular attention must be paid during the inspection.
These are:
- The load bearing parts of the vehicle to which certain testable items (as specified in section 2, 3 and 5) are mounted.
- Any structure or panelling which is supportive to either the component mounting or its load bearing member within 30cm of the mounting location. eg. In the examination of a seat belt mounting on an inner sill, consideration must be given to the outer sill, door pillar, floor panel, wheel arch or any other supportive structure within 30cm of the component mounting point.


As you can see the "any corrosion within 30cm" claim, is wrong if it's applied to a part that isn't load bearing or structural.

[crazymac]

Thats great that Redhand, ammunition for the next test :clap: