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i need advanced help
« on: September 24, 2008, 19:26:02 »
i have finaly tracked a rumble down to a missfire when the turbo cuts in but i dont know what to do about it. its a 19j engine (2.5td) douse anybody think it may be over fueling. P.S the cam sprockit on the timing belt is out by half a tooth i have tried 3 differant belts and its the same every time can anybody give me a clue on adjusting the amount of fuel the pump is pushing out?

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Re: i need advanced help
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2008, 20:13:43 »
By the sounds of it, it could be your timing you can adjust the timing slightly by adjusting the plate on the injector pump pulley or by turning the injector pump. Either that or it could be an internal failure in the injector pump mine did something similar and i had my pump overhauled.

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2008, 21:07:25 »
how much are you looking at for that?
my pump pully dousnt have a plate on the pully and it hasnt got a hole to peg the pump i dont know why all the books say it should.

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Re: i need advanced help
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2008, 02:03:48 »
You can't adjust the injector pump sprocket on a TD engine - it's fixed on a woodruff key. There is a hole, but it's in the side of the pump body, and you need a special timing setting pin to get the timing dead right. There are two timing marks on the injector pump sprocket - an 'F' mark and a 'pip'. The timing is set on the pip, and the cam in a similar fashion. If you are checking the timing with the radiator still in place, then the cam sprocket appears to be 1/2 tooth out - due to the angle you are looking at it. I use a 6" steel rule to check the position of it. If the radiator is out and you are looking at the timing mark square on and it is 1/2 tooth out, then I would suggest you remove the cam sprocket and check the woodruff key isn't about to shear off. You can fine tune the timing without the setting pin, which involves slackening both ends of each injector pipe, the three nuts that hold the pump to the timing rear case, and the nut/bolt on the support bracket at the rear. The pump can then be rotated - limited by the three slots that the timing rear case studs pass through. The pump should be marked in relation to the rear case before you move it (so that you have a reference point), and then only turned 1mm or less (injector pump timing is very accurate). If you can get the engine running and it blows white smoke out of the exhaust in intermittant puffs, which gets less as the engine warms-up, then the timing is retarted. If the engine knocks (detonates), then the timing is advanced. If the injector pump timing is retarded, then it won't start on the key, but will on a tow when it's cold, but will start on the key once the engine has warmed up. Accelleration will be very slow and there will be a lot of white smoke.

The timing arrangement and belt replacement on a TD/NA engine is covered here (but not using the setting pin).

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=7880


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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2008, 19:00:58 »
yes there is puffs of smoke and yes it is hard to start but not as bad now a diesel machanic tryed to set the pump. looking from the steering wheel the pump is as far to the right as it can go and i think he couldnt be bothered to take the cam belt off to move it around another notch as he was in a terable rush that day. do you think i should move the pump sprockit over to the f rather than the notch?

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2008, 19:34:18 »
if the woodruff key has worn do you know anywere i could get a replacement.      was that you who did that cambelt change? that looked a nice cleen job. aparently these engines are renound for blowing oil in to the filteri spoke to a bloke a couple of months ago who directed the breather pipe in to his chassis becouse he was sick of changing his filter.P.S yes i did take the rad off and i am sure the cam sprocket is out

 






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