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[muddymud]

Hi,

   im looking to put a decent sound system in my rrc i have a sub woofer in a box in the boot and i am planing on getting some vogue door cards so i can fit 2 speakers in each of the front doors. i was going to put some 6x9" speakers in the roof but i don't think it is going to hold the speakers, what have you done in your rrc and where have you run your amp cables?

Cheers,
Nick

[clbarclay]

A fresh set of standard size coaxial speakers (IIRC Pioneer) and a MP3 player to cassete adapter was enough to satisfy me, but a long while ago I did weight up the ICE possibilities of a RRC. Mainly how many and how bigger sub woofers the boot could hold :hat:

One good thing about the RRC was all the wiring (apart from to the rear doors) goes via the roof so you can run signal wires via the floor away from most of the rest of the wiring loom.

It depends how you use the vehicle, the back of the rear seats, particuarly on pre 1985 models, would be a resonable place to put the amp. Another option If you want full use of the boot from time to time would be to mount the on the sub box or to a sheet of ply along side the sub box so that it can all be removed by just disconnecting a few wires and a couple of screws through the floor. For a permenant sub setup thats out of the way then making a custon enclosure for the sub and amp where the jack lives opposite the spare wheel would be a tidy option.

The head lining is not going to like the weight of 6x9's and is nothing like stiff enough to be worth mounting the too anyway. Bracing the roof lining with a sheet of ply will be easier said than done. The custom enclosure on the side of the boot, as mentioned above, could also hold a 6x9, but unless you move the spare tyre then it would be difficult to put the other 6x9 opposite it. A ply wood parcel shelf would be an easy solution, but then you loose the rear speakers if you have to take the parcel shelf out. Encosures on the D pillars by the rear seat belt enertia reels is another possibility, though 6x9s may be a tad too big to do that with.

Depedning what you want, a good set of standardish size speakers in place of the standard items would probably be just as effective as 6x9s. You already have a sub woofer, so you are not relying on 6x9s to provide the base.

[hairyasswelder]

Hi,

   im looking to put a decent sound system in my rrc i have a sub woofer in a box in the boot and i am planing on getting some vogue door cards so i can fit 2 speakers in each of the front doors. i was going to put some 6x9" speakers in the roof but i don't think it is going to hold the speakers, what have you done in your rrc and where have you run your amp cables?

Cheers,
Nick

MMMMMM where do we start........  :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have a 12" sub built in to the right side of the boot with seperate amp..... a 6 way Alpine slimline amp under the back seat..... 2 tweeers in the headlining, 2 x 6" Speakers with tweeters, in the back doors,  2x5" in the front doors, 2x tweeters in the corner of the front windows and 2x 8x4 in the parcel shelf,  Alpine head unit in usual place, with a 6 CD changer under the passenger seat,

Wires run where you would expect, through doors, across cill tops, behind dash, in rooflining and under back seat oh, and under gearbox tunnel  :roll: :roll:

A hell of a lot of OFC speaker cable and 2 feeds to the amps with 35mm cable + 3 outputs to the amps from tthe head unit

1250w from amps to 1750w speakers  ;)

Oh and it remote control so i can wake the neighbors without going deaf  :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Range Rover Blues]

Standard RRC sub, standard 10 speaker system with new Sony X-plod headset and Nikia 4-chanel bridgeable amp, low pass filter for the subs which are rewired into 1 channel (the softies had a 2 channel sub unlike the late hard dash).

It's loud enough to ghive me a headache but you only realise how good it is when you drive something else for a while.

No car will ever sound as good as proper Hi-Fi though.

[squaddie_fox]

i dont suppose you have heard the harmon kardon (sp) logic 7 system in the new D3's then! that stereo is awesome! had one for two weeks when i was in wales!

[TechnoTurkey]

I've got some Vogue door cards in good nick, bit far away though!

I had an alpine cd/mp3 headunit in mine with just 4 decent coax speakers in the factory apertures, sounded ok but never going to set the world on fire.  My old BMW had a 12 speaker Harmon Kardon factory upgrade and that was decent.

[Range Rover Blues]

Trouble is it's still inside a tin box.  Plus it depends on what you think i mean by "proper Hi-Fi" ;)

[clbarclay]

I suspect your definition of Hi-Fi has little in common with the sort of Hi-Fi's available from places like Argos.

[Range Rover Blues]

I suspect your definition of Hi-Fi has little in common with the sort of Hi-Fi's available from places like Argos.

;)


If I told you the stylus on my record player cost over £100.................

[wormster]

I suspect your definition of Hi-Fi has little in common with the sort of Hi-Fi's available from places like Argos.

;)


If I told you the stylus on my record player cost over £100.................

I'd say you have got a quality turntable, but, what are you using for an amp???

[Range Rover Blues]

Until recently an Arcam Delta290 but the input selector went dodgy (a known problem) so now I've got an Alpha10, the replacement model.  My deck is a Lionn Sondek LP12 Circus with Akito arm and Goldring cart.   NICE.

[muddymud]

can any one recommend a good car audio company? i currently have two 10" fusion subs and two fusion 6"x2". Should i just add more fusion stuff or should i sell it and get something better?

has any one mounted some 6"x9" in a rrc?

will rrv voge door cards (with 2 speakers) fit in my E reg rrc?

Cheers,
Nick

[squaddie_fox]

i would build yourself a box in the boot to house the 6x9's and the subs. the amps i would screw to the rear of the backseats. other speakers i would add in would be some 5 1/4's for the front, some tweeters and a decent headunit as a crap quality headunit will make any set up sound crap. keep the fusion stuff as you already have it. i dont think you would be able to sell it and make enough for a top spec set up. for a rangie what you have would be adequate.

on my old v8 rangie i took the headlining away from the rear, bui,t up some MDF spacers and fitted the 6x9's in the top. they just about fit if you build up the MDF right.

[Range Rover Blues]

Personally, I'd either bin the spare and fit a sub in it's place, or fit the sub inside the spare, plus a sub on the other side.  There really isn't anywhere else to fit one in a RRC without cuting thebody panels up.  You can fit the LR sub box if you fit the later parcel tray, this can then be modyfied to take a bigger sub than standard.

The amps I'd want out of sight, I think they might squeeze under the back seats on the floor, or under the front seat on a TDi with no engine ECU in the way.  On mine I have the amp inside the dash on Blue and under the factory sub on the LSE, it just fits under teh changer if you modify the sub box and move it up an inch.

I think making a speaker box in the roof sounds like a good idea, if you want decent bass you need to have something solid to fasten your speakers to, solid and heavy.

As for the door cards, no, not without modifying the doors quite a bit.  Ask me how I know..........

[muddymud]

As for the door cards, no, not without modifying the doors quite a bit.  Ask me how I know..........

HOW?


i have a sub in the boot now with an amp. will post some pictures then i think im going to make a box on the roof to put the 6"x9" in.

Cheers,
Nick

[Range Rover Blues]

Blue has the later interior (concealed hinge doors) and the inside of the door has been chopped about to make it work.  the door reelase, grab handles etc all need moving, the lock buttons need a new bracket making out of the existing door skin, even then it's not that good a fit.  The doors are the right size at least and all the trim clips seem to line up.

[muddymud]

could i just nick the entire door then, and put that on my rrc? or would a set of P38 doors fit?

[squaddie_fox]

if you can see the hinges on yours then no, thpugh you might be able to swap the hinges about. if you have the hidden hinge type then you will be able to fit them on.

[muddymud]

some pictures of my sub box and doors.

my rear windows are getting tinted so the amp will be hidden.





there must be something i can do about my door cards as they are relay ugly! would discovery doors fit?

Cheers,
Nick

[Range Rover Blues]

The later concealed hinge doors are a differnet length on the outside, the pillars are different too so a MASSIVE amount of work to swap them over.

If you really want to fit the later interior (it won't match either) then best to modify your doors, the back ones can be made to fit but the hinge is different.

The Disco doors are just RRC doors with a different skin, never foget the Disco is just a RRC with all the toys taken off ;)

BTW, not much room in the boot for a dog, is there :-.

[muddymud]

ok well i think im going to stick with my current door cards and see if i can modify them to put a second set of speakers in them.

Cheers,
Nick

[squaddie_fox]

why modify the door cards?

wgat you could do is find another set of 6x9's, with a decent grill that goes over them, and fit the under the drivers seat. there is a kick panel at the front under the base of  the seat, im sure with a bit of woodwork you couls get some ply or MDF onto it and cut the holes for the speakers. maybe glue the original plastic, cut to shape, back onto the outside.

will save messing with the doors and maybe getting it wrong...

[muddymud]

that would be good but i have loads of electrical things under my seat so no room.

[squaddie_fox]

you can get the shallow 6x9's, my little fiesta has a set as the rear standard speakers by the back seats, they would fit on the kickplate at the front of the seat no problem. even with the ECU under there etc.

[Range Rover Blues]

If you forgo the centre glovebox you could stuff a sub in that too.  Just how much noise do you want to make though :-k

[muddymud]

i just want to crank it up loud so u can just abut still hear some one talking to you and it to sound crisp.

[Range Rover Blues]

Then I suggest you go for quality rather than quantity of speakers.  You can find a good crossover in the front door car of most newer RRC, the softies particulalry had a 9 speaker set-up with a tweater on the door pillar and the 2 speeakers at the bottom of each door.  At the back is the single pair of roof speakers plus the softie got a 2 channel sub whereas a hard dash has a single.

I'd go for fitting the subwoofer, run a decnet amp and use a low pass filter to take out the high frequencies that will otherwise damage it.

You can get decent stick on tweaters in Maplins or Halfords these days, plus a decent pair of bass units at the front, this is where you'll need to spend a bit of time though.

If you fit loads of different speakers you might end up with a phasing problem and sound quality can then suffer.  My system goes loud enougy to give me a headache with just the factory speakers, albeit a newer system with 10 drivers in it.  The only bit I've done is replace the factory amps with a single, bridgeable amp and LPF plus a new head unit and changer.