Topic: Which motor? (Read 2260 times)

robkav · « **on:** November 08, 2009, 21:26:56 »

Hi all i'm looking for a new toy for laning and pay and play days but not sure what to get, it needs to be road legal and a manual diesal, i had my heart set on a 90 but their to expensive as i will have up a grand to spend, heres some of the motors im thinking about:
disco (worryed about rot)
rrc
vitara
showgun

what do you guys think?

crazymac · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2009, 21:43:34 »

I like the Disco (I have one!!) and I would say that you can't go far wrong!

Yes rot is a problem, but it is also an easy fix, and the engines are bomb proof easily reaching 250K!

Range Rover Blues · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2009, 21:29:28 »

Shogun, tend to lead an easier life when new compared to a LR, japanese reliability and economy. Comfortable and supprisingly capable. Cheaper versions will be grey imported Pajero.

Vitara, can't be that bad as they are as poular as anything else. Very modyfyable, cheap to run and insure. I won't expect one to recover a stuck LR, they are just a different league altogether. Huge fun and very capable.

LR, probably a Disco but don't discount the RRC for the right money. Very capable, lots of modified parts, heavy, thirsty, great tow cars, good off road even in showroom condition, not bad on insurance if you're my side of 30. Iconic and popular.

They all have their good points and bad points. I'd guess round here you'll get a ot of votes for the green oval, they're popular in this country and there must be good reason for it.

If you can keep an open mind then ask yourself exaclty what it's for. If you want a big family car and caravan tug then don't by a Vitara. If you want ouse it for waork and greenlaning then the Vit is a sensible choice.

If you want refinement, reliability etc buy the bitsamisin'

If you like getting dirty at the weekends because something else fell off, buy a LR :D

Bishops Finger · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2009, 21:45:57 »

Jeep Cherokee 4l petrol...

Ceap as chips and more fun than working out whether to have gravy/curry sauce or peas with the chips...

dxmedia · « **Reply #4 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:37:40 »

Trooper or Jeep

With a jeep get an lpg one, you'll still be well this side of a grand. Keep away from the green oval, your just paying for un-reliability.

robkav · « **Reply #5 on:** November 12, 2009, 19:37:00 »

thinking more towards a disco as there cheap and i like to bring goodies back from work

so the load space is handy, and when the body rots away i could cut it off and fit a whitbred frame :lol:
i think the vit is to small for me
shogun not many manuals and off road bits about
havn't thought about a jeep, are they reliabull and cheap to fix?

dxmedia · « **Reply #6 on:** November 12, 2009, 21:36:26 »

Very reliable if you go for the 4.0 check the bodies for rot on the early cherokees, the later ones and the grand and galv.

I've stuck 20K on mine in the last year, I've bought and fitted a pinion seal for the front axle, a new rad, and a water pump on top of service items. The rad and the water pump were original fitment (I presume that the front pinion seal was too), it's now got 120 000 miles on it to give you an indication of life expectancy of those parts.

Spare parts are fine as long as you keep away from the main dealer.

Different league to a landy on the road, they are firm, stable, quick, and tow well. Off road, live axles front and back, LSD's in some models, loads of power, good articulation with the anti roll bars off. I've taken a stock jeep down strata florida before without having any problems.

winchman · « **Reply #7 on:** November 13, 2009, 09:20:25 »

My Vit is cheap, easy to fix not that it goes wrong, £120 insurance, but the main thing is its small light and very manuverable.
Discos are a lot of car but too big for laneing, I had both until recently and I wouldnt dream of taking the Disco its the Vit every time

crazymac · « **Reply #8 on:** November 13, 2009, 14:11:34 »

Quote from: winchman on November 13, 2009, 09:20:25

but the main thing is its small light and very manuverable.
Discos are a lot of car but too big for laneing, I had both until recently and I wouldnt dream of taking the Disco its the Vit every time

You obviously drive different lanes to me then?

A Discovery is an excellent lane machine. Its competent and comfy. When I go laning I have to drive 50 miles just to get to the start point in mid wales, then another 50 at the end of the day, with a Disco I can do it easily and the Disco will more than cope with the lanes we have access to.

robkav · « **Reply #9 on:** November 13, 2009, 21:13:55 »

So its a choice between disco , jeep or i keep finding myself looking at hybrids
Are the diesal jeeps any good as me petrols dont get on

ben-dent · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2009, 18:04:13 »

Quote from: Range Rover Blues on November 11, 2009, 21:29:28

Vitara, can't be that bad as they are as poular as anything else. Very modyfyable, cheap to run and insure. I won't expect one to recover a stuck LR, they are just a different league altogether. Huge fun and very capable.

i will disagree with that statement RRB

after being recovered in my rangie by a vitara :oops:, they are very capable

crazymac · « **Reply #11 on:** November 14, 2009, 19:14:04 »

Pretty much any 4x4 can recover another 4x4 as long as it has the ground to recover it from!

This myth that a vitara can't rescue a Landrover is crazy, the Landrover could be in a mud pit and the vitara on solid ground!!

Range Rover Blues · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2009, 01:32:08 »

Hmmm, ok I stand corrected :-k But I know what it takes to get my RR stuck and I've seen Zukes try to recover stuff before. All things being equal I'd still rather be recovered by a vehicle the same size as mine.

crazymac · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2009, 10:36:06 »

Quote from: Range Rover Blues on November 15, 2009, 01:32:08

Hmmm, ok I stand corrected :-k But I know what it takes to get my RR stuck and I've seen Zukes try to recover stuff before. All things being equal I'd still rather be recovered by a vehicle the same size as mine.

I'm with you there! I drive a Discovery and as you say, I know what it takes to get it stuck!!

It just bugs me a bit when we get the "Ha ha! I recovered a Landrover today with my little Suzuki!! Aren't Landrovers crap?!!" comments

They always try and make out that their suzuki drove through where the landrover couldn't make it then towed the Landrover out on their way past!! Whereas what happens is the Landrover or any other 4x4 for that matter gets stuck, and the recovery vehicle reverses in from solid ground and drags it out!

kizz81 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 16, 2009, 17:44:12 »

Quote from: Range Rover Blues on November 15, 2009, 01:32:08

Hmmm, ok I stand corrected :-k But I know what it takes to get my RR stuck and I've seen Zukes try to recover stuff before. All things being equal I'd still rather be recovered by a vehicle the same size as mine.

i know what you mean there, its a matter of pride, not what make it is, i mean vehicle size, like i wouldnt like to be towed by a normal car or a mini ( i guess you could say i drive a 90 so my pride isnt dented when i get stuck because most thigs are bigger :lol )

if its in your price range the new range rover vogue is very capable, i though it was jus a school run car untill i saw one on the ski slops of valdisere going up a very steep slope with three wheels on the ground looking like it was going to tip back wards, but it just sighed and got on with it, where as i stood in amazement, i wouldnt have driven up there, if its any constalation, fit an x brake to what ever you get if its a landy, there really good! although id love to stop the rattling pads it seems to have

cheers kieran

squaddie_fox · « **Reply #15 on:** November 18, 2009, 17:03:11 »

a bit of super glue on the piston stopped my mates from rattling, though a well serviced land rover hand brake is mor than capable, my rangie one will hold anywhere*.

*touch wood... 8-[

Suvvey · « **Reply #16 on:** November 18, 2009, 20:04:49 »

Don't discount the Mitsi route. I have a 110 now but before that I had a Paj. Don't go for the shogun, it is almost exactly the same machine but more than likely full of rot in the price range your looking at. The Pajero however will probably still have no rust at all (depending on how long it has been in this country) and will have a lot more toys on the inside. Also they nearly all come with some kind of rear diff lock whether it be a switchable one or limited slip diff. Both of which are very strong and realiable. The running gear is bomb proof by land rover standards, not heard of many problems and never heard of anyone breaking drive shaft EVER (I wait to be corrected :roll:)

The only things against them are the front end is on wishbones and torsion bars rather than an axle so it does limit articulation a little but if you have a locked centre and rear diff it doesn't matter if you have one boot in the air. The other thing is that parts aren't quite as easy as landy ones but trust me you wont need anywhere as near as many anyway :lol:

Also don't rule out the auto's. I had never had an auto before the paj and the thought of an auto offroad seemed mad but it was awsome. No need to worry about shifting gears in heavy mud or deep water to balance traction and momentum, no need to worry about gears through a hill climb (or failed one). Just a little butt shifting moment as you go over the lip of a steep decent and the box seems to take a second or 2 to apply the engine braking but that just adds to the fun :twisted:

william127 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 18, 2009, 21:03:04 »

iv had 4 landys and a toyota hilux pick up ranging in price from £500 to£7300, did about 40000 miles in the hilux and getting on for 30000 in the landys, and id say definatley go for a disco. maybe more parts might go on landys but the usually only cost a few quid, can be picked up within a few miles of whreever you live and are fair5rly easy to fit. japanese perts usually cost a fortune, you usually have to get them online- no cash discount, at least a days wait, and small parts never seem to go. on my hilux the alternator, starter, engine, head, engine mounts and front propshafts all went. landrovers also inspire much more confidence off road and they tow like trains.
just my own opinion after over 5 years of 4x4 owning and 70000 miles of driving them on motorways, greenlanes, around london and down ditches

Oz · « **Reply #18 on:** November 18, 2009, 21:15:52 »

Hi, I would agree with last post I start wit an sj 5years ago it was really fun and easy to drive any where. Then it broke and wow the parts are just to expensive. So I got my self a v8 disco which I had for two years till it died of rot. It was so easy and cheap to get parts for. I then found a cheap shogun and as stated that rear diff lock gets it any where at all! But then the engine just started having all kinds of problems (which I agree is uncommon for jap) but the parts are priced out of this world. So got a 300tdi disco which I still have and love. Space is good, pullin power is like a train, and again bits are so cheap! Also got a v8 rrc. And love it even more Noffin beats that sound!!
I alway end up going back to a landrover I just find them cheapest and most capable with all things taken in to account.

Oz · « **Reply #19 on:** November 18, 2009, 21:19:41 »

Forgot to add onces you get the landrover bug you cant get aware from it. And im sure many will agree

robkav · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2009, 22:16:39 »

Torn between disco and jeep need to test drive a jeep as i've never been near one, i'll have a look on autotrader to see if there's one local.

dxmedia · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2009, 22:20:31 »

Go round your local garages and take a few different motors out for a test drive.

Once you've a fair idea, have a look on (1/2 the price of ebay) auto trader and gumtree ;)

Oz · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2009, 22:24:01 »

i agrre with trying them at garages. just cant try them off road :troll:
I work at a garage and have driven jeeps the 4.0l high output defentley has bags of power. But saying that i did find my self think its still not Land Rover. All though i found them nice to drive on the road... But offroad just not what i was looking for.

BK · « **Reply #23 on:** November 19, 2009, 15:09:35 »

Quote from: robkav on November 18, 2009, 22:16:39

Torn between disco and jeep need to test drive a jeep as i've never been near one, i'll have a look on autotrader to see if there's one local.

[Edited] dont get a diesel XJ!!!! if you are gonna get one,get a 4 litre............oh and with a small lift and 31,s on they are practically unstoppable offroad and with em bein low slung they dont fall over or smack low slung trees :lol:

robkav · « **Reply #24 on:** November 20, 2009, 22:36:09 »

Do they do a 4l manual?

horsethief · « **Reply #25 on:** November 21, 2009, 08:34:04 »

I'll just throw another into the mix,try a Daihatsu,the Fourtrak deisals or thier baby brother the Sportrak petrol.The four trak is a good lugger and cheap to run and mod,comes with or without turbo and up to 7 seater.The Sportrak is like the Vit but cheaper to mod and buy.Both are quite cheap as they're not so well known as the other japs.Be different.

dxmedia · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2009, 14:48:24 »

Quote from: horsethief on November 21, 2009, 08:34:04

I'll just throw another into the mix,try a Daihatsu,the Fourtrak deisals or thier baby brother the Sportrak petrol.The four trak is a good lugger and cheap to run and mod,comes with or without turbo and up to 7 seater.The Sportrak is like the Vit but cheaper to mod and buy.Both are quite cheap as they're not so well known as the other japs.Be different.

Both limited by IFS though, unless you go for an early fourtrac, but they are getting a little long in the tooth now.

kizz81 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 23, 2009, 16:38:41 »

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a bit of super glue on the piston stopped my mates from rattling, though a well serviced land rover hand brake is mor than capable, my rangie one will hold anywhere*.

cheers ill try that,
mine wasnt a well serviced hand brake haha, the amount to fully rebuild it was like 100 pounds so it wasnt too much moe to get a xbrake that you dont need to clean out all the time, it was quite funny when my hand brake finally died though, probley shouldnt have been doing what i was, had a heavey trailer and a landy full of metal a strange bang noise and it was gone i would guess that was what stretched off at that point,

i saw a fiat panda 4x4 off-roading that was funny to look at

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