dislocation does it help !!!!!!

[iianorthants]

Started a new thread as we seam to be hijacking someone else’s
 
 Right to stop all this assuming that cones will or will not help, I think me and Dave should have a little test on 15th at whaddon and see if it does or doesn’t settle the arguments once and for all.
 We both have 90 less then a year apart, both have same wheels and tyres (both only a couple of weeks old) both have 2+ lift, only difference is shocks and Dave’s motor retaining them and me putting on D/cones. So none of this fancy comic book mag testing when one is just std and the other defender has had £10,000 spent on it just to push the items :x .
 I hope we both have same line of thought that would prefer to take technical approach   , i.e not third gear and floor it, as don’t want to damage the vehicles. As I assume it will only make a difference to this style of driving  :twisted: .
 If someone is gun-ho about it I wouldn’t have thought it would make any difference having cones, prob a disadvantage as only using forward momentum not grip. And securing your springs would save your shocks.

So if Dave’s up for it, we will take some pics, if we can find a few suitable obstacles. And let you know if spending less then £50 on cones will help or not.    Ooooh  sounds like a bit of real journalism :shock:  :shock:  :shock: .

[Mace]

Will Dave take the door step challange ???

[iianorthants]

Don’t think a doorstep will be big enough :? , unless you have a 3-4 foot one we can use :shock: . Did think about an artificial ramp, but that’s not fitting for a mud-club member :D

[Disco Inferno]

i fitted them originally after fittiing the lift kit, primarily as a bit of security since  i saw a spring pop out and get firly wedged in a bolkes sidewall. and to be honest they weren't really necessary till i fitted shock drops and crancked trailign arms

[MuckingFuddy]

This could be interesting, look forward to seeing the pics  :P

[davidlandy]

Ill take any challenge Ian !

importantly just need to point out that my set up doesnt have jubilee clips! and I dont have the same springs as yours so it wouldnt be a like for like on a technical trial or take into consideration driving our differing styles but I will still go for this trial you propose.

Given that I will participate in your clean clinical trial after that I propose that you and me then do a 'real world' trial. We shall pick the muddiest / wettest bits then see how we fair.

I shall look forward to that

see you there !

[iianorthants]

if weather hold out, won't be much mud.
 might have to get a pump in to flood the place :)

[turtle]

The 15th clear on my calendar (at the moment), must come down with the camera  :D

[Mace]

There's always MUD at Whaddon :-))

Do you think Doug i'll get upset if we all turn up and say "we're not playing, we've just come to watch" ?

[jimbob]

I think a little test on the boghill of impossibility is called for.

[iianorthants]

I think a little test on the boghill of impossibility is called for.

take it your getting some 44 inch tyres for you bobtail then :)
might be easier as dryer, but with some of those big ruts, could lose your car  :lol:

[davidlandy]

BOG HILL here we Come!

Get your cones ready Ian!

..and a rope!

[jimbob]

I think a little test on the boghill of impossibility is called for.

take it your getting some 44 inch tyres for you bobtail then :)
might be easier as dryer, but with some of those big ruts, could lose your car  :lol:

I dont need big tyres.

I got a V8 and a heavy right boot :twisted:

If any of you do fail to make it i'll be happy to winch you across :(biglaugh):

[Xtremeteam]

I think a little test on the boghill of impossibility is called for.

take it your getting some 44 inch tyres for you bobtail then :)
might be easier as dryer, but with some of those big ruts, could lose your car  :lol:

I dont need big tyres.

I got a V8 and a heavy right boot :twisted:

If any of you do fail to make it i'll be happy to winch you across :(biglaugh):

thats how i do things,who needs lockers etc when all u need is a v8 & a long run up  8) full harnesses are advised when it comes to a sudden halt from warp factor 9  :lol:

[iianorthants]

I think a little test on the boghill of impossibility is called for.

take it your getting some 44 inch tyres for you bobtail then :)
might be easier as dryer, but with some of those big ruts, could lose your car  :lol:

I dont need big tyres.

I got a V8 and a heavy right boot :twisted:

If any of you do fail to make it i'll be happy to winch you across :(biglaugh):

thats how i do things,who needs lockers etc when all u need is a v8 & a long run up  8) full harnesses are advised when it comes to a sudden halt from warp factor 9  :lol:

it's the sudden halt that does it, when thing go snap bang. use mine everyday so will need to pick route and take it easy. third and floor it will only work if very wet if dry, i'd hate to think what will happen to diff as you drop into ruts :)

the pics don't do it justice http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/davidlandy/gallery/Whaddon271104/0/872012-1101672062.JPG the rut the suki dropped in still had about foot clearance under the tyre.
aftermarth :) http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/davidlandy/gallery/Whaddon271104/0/651882-1101672062.JPG
run up to deep bit  :shock:  http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/davidlandy/gallery/Whaddon271104/2/129520-1101897369.bmp

[Mace]

Here's a picture of Ollie and his lightweight stuck in the bog of impossibility...the water in the bog is red with peat, it looks like the waters gone rusty from the remains of old Land Rovers  :lol:

[davidlandy]

I think a little test on the boghill of impossibility is called for.

take it your getting some 44 inch tyres for you bobtail then :)
might be easier as dryer, but with some of those big ruts, could lose your car  :lol:

I dont need big tyres.

I got a V8 and a heavy right boot :twisted:

If any of you do fail to make it i'll be happy to winch you across :(biglaugh):

Class Jon, sheer Class!

[davidlandy]

I think a little test on the boghill of impossibility is called for.

take it your getting some 44 inch tyres for you bobtail then :)
might be easier as dryer, but with some of those big ruts, could lose your car  :lol:

I dont need big tyres.

I got a V8 and a heavy right boot :twisted:

If any of you do fail to make it i'll be happy to winch you across :(biglaugh):

thats how i do things,who needs lockers etc when all u need is a v8 & a long run up  8) full harnesses are advised when it comes to a sudden halt from warp factor 9  :lol:

it's the sudden halt that does it, when thing go snap bang. use mine everyday so will need to pick route and take it easy. third and floor it will only work if very wet if dry, i'd hate to think what will happen to diff as you drop into ruts :)

Dont Worry Ian, BOG HILL never dries out ! so you cant do too much damage. Whats with all this 'take it easy' talk then???

[iianorthants]

I think a little test on the boghill of impossibility is called for.

take it your getting some 44 inch tyres for you bobtail then :)
might be easier as dryer, but with some of those big ruts, could lose your car  :lol:

I dont need big tyres.

I got a V8 and a heavy right boot :twisted:

If any of you do fail to make it i'll be happy to winch you across :(biglaugh):

thats how i do things,who needs lockers etc when all u need is a v8 & a long run up  8) full harnesses are advised when it comes to a sudden halt from warp factor 9  :lol:

it's the sudden halt that does it, when thing go snap bang. use mine everyday so will need to pick route and take it easy. third and floor it will only work if very wet if dry, i'd hate to think what will happen to diff as you drop into ruts :)

Dont Worry Ian, BOG HILL never dries out ! so you cant do too much damage. Whats with all this 'take it easy' talk then???

as it was mentioned at sibertoft by mel that you never seem to break your car, all because you don't use a heavy right foot. why would i wanna break my car .... not for any challenge, don't prove much and don't show skill  :D

[davidlandy]

I think a little test on the boghill of impossibility is called for.

take it your getting some 44 inch tyres for you bobtail then :)
might be easier as dryer, but with some of those big ruts, could lose your car  :lol:

I dont need big tyres.

I got a V8 and a heavy right boot :twisted:

If any of you do fail to make it i'll be happy to winch you across :(biglaugh):

thats how i do things,who needs lockers etc when all u need is a v8 & a long run up  8) full harnesses are advised when it comes to a sudden halt from warp factor 9  :lol:

it's the sudden halt that does it, when thing go snap bang. use mine everyday so will need to pick route and take it easy. third and floor it will only work if very wet if dry, i'd hate to think what will happen to diff as you drop into ruts :)

Dont Worry Ian, BOG HILL never dries out ! so you cant do too much damage. Whats with all this 'take it easy' talk then???

as it was mentioned at sibertoft by mel that you never seem to break your car, all because you don't use a heavy right foot. why would i wanna break my car .... not for any challenge, don't prove much and don't show skill  :D

Peoples driving styles are different , I use the throttle when I think that I have to, some other choose to Blat around.  I too have had my share of things breaking despite that.

I am not suggesting to you that you WILL break your car on the BOGHILL cos you probably wont - With your cones fitted youll be able to articlate across it with no probs!    

I haven't got cones (or jubilee clips) so will probably have to use my throttle a lot!

[Guy90]

The skill comes in knowing when to go slow and when to pile on the power 8)  8) .

[muddyweb]

As slow as possible... as fast as necessary ;-)

[Xtremeteam]

with the fire lit & ready to be stoked 8)  although it can be handy in a trial situation if u go in hard as ur wheels are still spinnin & with 750's make a hole bigg enough to stop all the bowlers on 205's  :lol:  :lol:

[diesel_boy]

well ill be up for this aswell my 110 v8 roar power n lead boot's anginest ur 2 90's with 300tdi  iam up 4 it   :(biggrin):

[Guy90]

As slow as possible... as fast as necessary ;-)

Which was the phrase I was trying to remember but couldn't :lol:  :lol: .

[davidlandy]

well ill be up for this aswell my 110 v8 roar power n lead boot's anginest ur 2 90's with 300tdi  iam up 4 it   :(biggrin):

yeah - bet u wont even get to the BOGHILL  - theres a big puddle to go thru!

[Mace]

Cough, cough, splutter, splutter, wheeeeeze, pop....ah yes the roar of a v5   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

....and que Tim.....

[Porny]

Some pics from Gaydon...

Both vehicles (I think - second one has definetley got them) fitted with Dislocation Cones.

Magnified pics show springs still seated, so dislocation cones not doing anything  :?

(on two posts as only 3 pics per post allowed)

[Porny]

Other pics

[Thrasher]

Forgive me I've being stupid here, but the whole idea of fitting a cone is to GUIDE THE SPRING back into position after you have caused it pop out of it's mounting.

The fitting of the cone cannot affect your ability to get more "droop". Fitting them to my Discovery would be *pointless* as I still have my anti-roll bars - and hence, my suspension won't drop away *unless* both rear wheels are hanging over nothing...and then I am at the mercy of my brake lines!

I am of the firm belief that if my springs are in position, I am exterting downforce onto my axles .... if they were not in place....I'd be looking "cool" - but skipping my wheels along achieving nothing and going nowhere... think about it - we don't rock crawl here - in mud the thing we lose is TRACTION ..... and fitting cones to get more traction is like trying to use a fireguard made of chocolote.....