landy 109 series 3 starter thingy

[generation-x]

hi guys new to landy forum a suzuki owner really 8) have just brought a 109 series 3 but the starter thingy (technical talk!) is broke so have to bump start it
were can i get a cheap replacement?

thanx guys
simon

[Dr Neil]

you haven't said whether it's a petrol or diesel and engine size, also how old is the vehicle,if it's a 2 1/4 diesel i may now the location of one so let me know, regards Neil.....

[Dr Neil]

has it got a seperate starter solenoid? if so if you bridge the two big wires together does the starter then operate,if it does then it's more likely to be the solenoid instead of the starter motor, hope this helps!

[generation-x]

sorry neil
its a 2.25 petrol  T reg,
its the seperate solenoid on the bulk head as you can guess i dont no much about landys

simon

[Dr Neil]

has the battery got plenty of life in it,turn the headlights on and try starting it (if the lights go dim i would try jumpstartingit of another battery/car. if the lights stay bright look at the starter solenoid, when you turn the key to start is there any clicking noise or the starter trying to turn, if no try bridging the two main terminals( bolts with nuts on) together either with an old screwdriver and see if the starter then turns( there will be a few sparks) if it turns over then i would suspect the starter solenoid, if it doesn't then it sounds like the starter motor itself. hope this helps sort the problem. if not where abouts do you live as if it's not ar rom me i will be willing to give you a hand!! :)

[generation-x]

hi neil
did the bridge test and the starter did spin but didnt thow into the fly wheel there seems to ba a wire hanging off the loom that looks like it shud be on the solenoid
neil ill email a couple of pix to you (pix are to big to add to thread)

simon

[Dr Neil]

if the starter spins it is either the clutch in the startermotor itself or possible the teeth on the ring gear worn, it might be worth taking off the starter and inspecting the teeth on the ring gear to check for damage, by all means send me some pics and i'll try my best to help.

[hobbit]

Or if the machine has been in mud it may need cleaning out  

[generation-x]

can some one tell me how many wires should be conected to the solenoid? there is a yellow wire coming from the loom by it im sure it should be conected to it some were so a pix or a diagram wud be great

thanx simon

[iianorthants]

common for them just to clog up with dirt, just undo the 3 bolts and take out and clean. u can play around with it out of motor more easily, just remember to clamp starter down or have good grip when you attach power   (jumper leads and battery will do)

[generation-x]

hi m8
i doubt its mud to be honest as its never been off road its an ex recovery truck

simon

[iianorthants]

don't have to be mud, has had a few year of abuse :) any leaking oil from back seal and a bit of clutch dust can make a sticky mess (quick check of breather hole on bottom of bell housing to see if any oil could indicating a leak) .
the starter motors on the petrol's are so basic very rarely they go wrong.
 best thing to do is take it out spin it over to see what happens. easy job and once off will be easy to see if any damage.

[generation-x]

hi ian
if i cross the soleniod the starter spins but wont engage the fly wheel so as you say it may be sticking but nowt happens when turnin the key no noise no spinning which makes me think theres some thing wrong with the soleniod as well as i said there is a wire by it that is yellow comin from the loom shud this be attached to the soleniod?

simon

[hobbit]

It could be the switching wire from the ignition, is there a broken spade end on the solenoid? or has the wire got a spade inside it?

[hobbit]

just looked on mine, if its a white wire with a red stripe its the ignition feed fire, and should fit on a spade on the solenoid

kev

[generation-x]

hi kev can u take a pic of said soleniod?

simon

[ukmudmaster]

If it spins its worth checking that the dog slides freely on the shaft, it cured mine!
Dave

[generation-x]

but the starter will only spin when crossing the soleniod not off the key so surely there is a soleniod problem that needs to be sorted 1st??

simon

[ukmudmaster]

Yeah, sort that first!

[hobbit]

UNfortunately for 2 reasons I cant do that the thepics. no camera till next week, and also the solenoid is tucked under the oil bath filter tray, and can only feel my way round it. But will draw a rough diag for you

[muddyweb]

Pic of Simon's solenoid :

[generation-x]

thanx tim (aint got a resizing progam)
having spoke to tim last night it seems my S3 starter aint an S3 starter in the pic u will see a yellow wire i was told this shud be conncted to the soleniod is this right?

simon

[Wingnut]

I had the same problems as you with my starter and solenoid;
Solenoid had a broken spade connector from the ignition. Symptom was nothing happening when the key was turned. Solution was to fit a new solenoid. Mine only cost a fiver brand new.
Starter motor needed regreasing or cleaning. Symptom was whirring noise when key turned but no engine starting. I should fit a new one, but if it sticks (not very often) I just tap the starter with a club hammer through the gap next to the wheel. This works for now.
You may need to check your battery as well. If its old it may not be holding enough charge. Mine gave up when it got down to 3v across the terminals. The lights still work and don't dim when you look at them, but there's not enough juice to work the starter.

[generation-x]

thanx for the advice guys but to put a fine point on it stuff it lol sold it to a guy in the states !!!!!!!! his problem as soon as the Echq clears lol

simon

[Dr Neil]

does that mean you want to buy another series3 that starts this time? :lol:
it just so happens that i have one or sale, if your interested. :)

[generation-x]

hi neil
thanx m8y but no thanx been burnt now think ill stick to suzukis lol

simon