£400 road tax

[denviks]

What about a mass drive of 4x4's into London 'to see the sights' of course. I can't advocate that anything is done along the lines of Critical Mass, coz that would be very naughty of me!

i aint been to see the sights for a while now..... so could be a good time to go and have a look    :D  :D  :D

[Boggert]

What about a mass drive of 4x4's into London 'to see the sights' of course. I can't advocate that anything is done along the lines of Critical Mass, coz that would be very naughty of me!

i aint been to see the sights for a while now..... so could be a good time to go and have a look    :D  :D  :D

Agreed! :lol:  :twisted:

[chris.hunt22]

I see our old friends at the BBC are stereotyping on this issue as per usual, just watched the news and the clip of a 'gas guzzling car' was you guessed it a 4x4, the media should really know better, any wonder the antis are increasing.  Made me laugh though, the 4x4 was a 2 litre Frontera Sport, is that not a Cavalier engine??  I have 3 cars and all of them are 2.5 litre, a sting could be on its way but I'm bugg£$d if any politician is going to tell me what I can or can't drive no matter how hard work or costly it may be, I wouldn't mind but my 944 does about 1000 miles a year tops, it's not worth £400 for the priveledge!!  

Rant over

I feel better now

[Drift]

Slightly cheating but mine is 4 wheel drive capable but only two wheel drive on tarmac  :D
Bet I wouldnt pay less though  
Its old anyway  :roll:
Ste

[Drift]

You can get the sport with 20l petrol and 2.2 petrol, 2.5 vm diesel and 2.8 Isuzu diesel  
Ste

[floyd fan]

The tax hike wont hit any of you unless you've bought a new BIG 4x4 since last year. Remember all the hype last time, the tax on my Disco went up a fiver.

[Boggert]

My wife drives a Nissan Serena 2.3D and I drive the Zuk... if they both go up to £400 they will both have to be sold, which P****s me off as SWMBO is used for her childminding business!

I'm bloody seething!

[davidlandy]

maybe if they divided the CO2 up by the amount of seats the motor has - would this be fair?  ie CO2 output per person carried

this way a little 2 seater smart thingy could be less green than a tdi disco 7 seater

[missroadrage]

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/4x4bashing/

here we go - sign that - not that it will probably do much good but at least our voices will be heard

Put it on other forums too it's only open til Friday

[Boggert]

Signed it... cheers sweetie, but I guess it will be a useful as a fart in a spacesuit! :lol:

[extreme90]

as datalas said, its a smokescreen, to block us seeing the real reason

they just upping the price of everything to cover costs of the the olimpic games down in london and all the imigrents that they are letting into the country !!!

were paying for all of it  :roll:

there banning this banning that upping this upping that.....they dont look ahead and think what its going to do to the economy, and what effect its going to have on the whole country

closed lake windemere because of polution  :roll:  my hairy ass  :shock:  :shock:  the average outboard or inboard engine produces just as much co2 as a 1600 petrol car  :shock: ....ne ways.....what did it do to the economy and surrounding areas ??....completely screwed it  :shock: average buisness's were 80% down within the first two months of the season....so that means...buisness's closing.....people on dole....no tax and crap for the goverment...and no one travles upto the lakes....what they going to do now ???? planning to re-open it as they made a mistake  :shock:

its going be same with pubs..no smoking...no 1 goes into pubs
cant smoke in works vehicles or else you get a fine  :roll:
and there thinkin of lowering drink driving to 1 pint....so no one will deffo go a pub for a quiet night out  :shock:

they cant see the aftermath of there stupid money making decisions cos the 2 busy up the own arses thinking of new bright ideas  :roll:

this is the start of 1 big revolt  :roll:

rant over, off to bed
slate me in the morning  
dan

[Grant]

I am doing a little educating over on the Smart Boards! http://www.smartmaniacs.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=39906

You can probably guess who I am on there!

haha, they're like zombies!

[Grant]

Oh yeah- the only car i've ever felt was near rollling on a road was my sisters smart car on a windy bridge!  :lol:

Ban them!

[Bob696]

it takes up 2x the road space of a normal car,

I liked that comment. My 90 is 60cm shorter than a ford focus and 5cm narrower.

Couldnt be bothered to register to post.

[cardiff_gareth]

I am doing a little educating over on the Smart Boards! http://www.smartmaniacs.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=39906

You can probably guess who I am on there!

haha, they're like zombies!

Did you know that we damage the roads  :lol:

I particually like the pedestrian comment  :lol:

[hrox]

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/4x4bashing/

here we go - sign that - not that it will probably do much good but at least our voices will be heard

Put it on other forums too it's only open til Friday

Signed it

Im up for a trip to london in me paj,  its tempremental and wont be help responsable if it breaks down somewhere.....

[cardiff_gareth]

what do you think of this petition before I hit the go button, I don't want to get into trouble !!

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to stop goverment bodies driving 20mpg 4 litre jaguars and get them driving 35mpg Land Rover Discoverys that seat 7 so better for road congestion and also better for the world as you need less of them due to the fact they carry more people around.

Submitted by gareth Williams – Deadline to sign up by: 20 May 2007

Category: Government, politics and public administration

More details:

The government are hypocrits. They swan around in cars that pollute the air more as they do less MPG than most 4x4s. They do nothing to stop rants about 4x4 name calling i.e. gas guzzlers which divides road users and don't see any bigger picture apart from lining their pockets.

[cardiff_gareth]

I changed it to this as didn't want a 'visit' in the early hours of the morning from men in black suits :lol:
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to stop goverment bodies driving 20mpg 4 litre jaguars and get them driving 35mpg Land Rover Discoverys that seat 7 so better for road congestion and also better for the world as you need less of them due to the fact they carry more people around.

Submitted by gareth Williams – Deadline to sign up by: 20 April 2007

Category: Government, politics and public administration

More details:

The goverment drive around in cars that pollute the air more as they do less MPG than most 4x4s. They do nothing to stop rants about 4x4 name calling i.e. gas guzzlers which divides road users and don't see any bigger picture apart from lining their pockets. Increasing road tax for 4x4's is not the answer. Most 4x4's are shorter than most road cars so take up less room on the road and have better CO2 and mpg stats than most 2 litre plus cars. Why penalise us, why listen to groups of individuals who basicaly hate 4x4 users. Freedom of speech, freedom of car. There are other vechiles on the road that DO take up more room and DO have bad emissions, don't penalise 1 group.

It's been submitted now awaiting approval  :!:

[hrox]

Hey can anyone imagine mp's and the PM driving around in a toyota Prius with the electric engine???   LMAO

[Yoshi]

didnt one of them do that though, then they said they got better mpg out of their diesel pool car????

[Thrasher]

That was Clarkeson

[Yoshi]

Nope, it wasnt clarkson, it was prescot, found the thread here

[Llanigraham]

Oh, haven't the spin meisters done a wonderful job of getting everyone wound up and ranting away.
1
The is no such vehicle class as a 4x4. Vehicles are grouped according to their emissions, and then only for vehicles registered after 2001.
2
The £400 is purely speculation.
3
No change can be retrospective, so pre 2001 vehicles will only be hit by the standard "cost of living" increase.
4
The likely change will be to Band G vehicles, and possibliy Band F, and in there are an lot of other vehicles other than 4x4's.

I have just done an interview for ITV Wales on this very subject, and pointed out to them that even things like a Mini Cooper S 1.6 would be hit, but that a lot of 4x4's actually will not be affected.

I love some of the comments on the Smart forum!! I do wonder whether some of these people actually live in the real world!

[floyd fan]

Best of both worlds perhaps.....

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/4x4bashing/

here we go - sign that - not that it will probably do much good but at least our voices will be heard

Put it on other forums too it's only open til Friday

Signed, but there was enough space to put "My Disco is more environmentally friendly than Tony's armoured Jag and Prescott's a*se!"
Shame that.

[muddymesser]

people complain that 4x4 drivers drine like they own the road . . . soon we will

[wing nut]

i signed

[datalas]

people complain that 4x4 drivers drine like they own the road . . . soon we will

hehe, I like it ...

"you 4x4 owners, acting like you own the blooming road" ... "well, we paid for most of it, so sling ya hook"

[minty]

just one other piont if london wasn't hosting the olympic's in a couple of years do you think we would be haveing this tax increase? :-k  after all arn't thay something like £3 million short and a couple of mounth's behind scedule :(thinkhard):  


just a thourt

[muddymesser]

they makein us pay more . . . lets park a v8 rangie up their arse