What could i swap it for?...

[JimsMowing]

Hello guys and girls.

I own a 3.9 Disco V8 series 1 and as much as i love it, my job is changing slightly and im doing more miles in it, towing at the same time too.

It has LPG and when im not towing i get around 200 miles on it, and a lot less whilst towing. I do try and price in fuel on the jobs i do but im hankering after a diesel now.

The thing is i've wanted a defender for a long time. I just wondered if i sold it or swapped it what defender i could get, and in what condition/spec?

I think my disco should be worth about £2500/2750.

Any ideas?

[minty]

a battered shed for that kind of money defenders hold strong money for good ones have a good look around before you sell, personaly i would look in auto trader etc stay away from landrover books/clubs thay now what thay are realy worth and you might just might get lucky?

[JimsMowing]

Thanks for your reply Minty. I've just been on autotrader and to be fair there are actually quite a few. Shall see what happens.

Cheers

[Range Rover Blues]

You didn't say what year your is or what mileage.

Diesels hold a premium but I know exactly where you are coming from, especially if you are towing.  My LSE will do 9 to the gallon.

Thing is whilst prices of some 4x4 are dropping the Defender will be the one to beat the trend and you always pay on condition rather than age.

You'll pay for a diesel Disco/RRC too.

As an example I know of a 200TDi conversion into a RRC turbo diesel.  Mint engine mind you but it's up at around £2k.  If you tradeed yours against it you'd be lucky to come out with cash in your hand, so You need to look privately.

[barnhill4x4]

I used to use my disco for towing car transporters for a living. It has covered over 100kmiles towing cars on trailers. Mostly Minis as I used to be a mini specialist and then the odd classic car for a shipping company and then new Smarts and Mercedes. When my 3.5V8 was off the road for a short period I borrowed my mothers 300tdi Disco, it was more expensive to run than the 3.5v8 on LPG

[Magnum335]

Theres a nice disco 300tdi on ebay at the moment...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110104408783

A little pricy i feel but it looks a goodun!

[JimsMowing]

You didn't say what year your is or what mileage.

Diesels hold a premium but I know exactly where you are coming from, especially if you are towing.  My LSE will do 9 to the gallon.

Thing is whilst prices of some 4x4 are dropping the Defender will be the one to beat the trend and you always pay on condition rather than age.

You'll pay for a diesel Disco/RRC too.

As an example I know of a 200TDi conversion into a RRC turbo diesel.  Mint engine mind you but it's up at around £2k.  If you tradeed yours against it you'd be lucky to come out with cash in your hand, so You need to look privately.

My Disco is a 1996 N Reg, ES 3.9i V8. Usual ES pack, leather, air con climate etc etc. Bought it on 98k in october last year, now just turned 102k. Its the nice purple colour (dont know the correct name)

Its LPG is made my BRC and has twin undersill tanks.

HTH.

Geoff.

[Range Rover Blues]

Then I would be advertising it for nearer £3k and be prepared to come down a little.

I should also point ouot to anyone who is towing for their business that the law requires a tachograph to be fitted to any comercial outfit exceeding 3.5 tonnes.

So whilst you could conceivavly tow a small car on a trailer once you move into Defenders I'm not sure that is still the case.

BTW it's based on MAM, not what's actually there.

[Guardian.]

3K, WE JUST PAID 2750 FOR A W REG DISCO2 V8 IN WHITE, EX POLICE 120,000 BUT HAD A BRAND SPANKIN NEW MOTOR FITTED, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE, INFACT IF IT WAS NOT FOR ABOUT A DOZEN SCREW HOLES ON THE DASH AND THE EXTRA SPLIT CHARGE SYSTEM IN THE BOOT YOU WOULDNT KNOW IT WAS EX POLICE.

[JimsMowing]

I enquired about this defender and asked if he would do a swap/part ex on it.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LAND-ROVER-90-DEFENDER-200-TDI-PICK-UP_W0QQitemZ280095095584QQcategoryZ29748QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

What do you guys make of it? And approximately whats it worth? Is my disco  in the same ballpark value wise?

Cheers

[muddyjames]

I should also point ouot to anyone who is towing for their business that the law requires a tachograph to be fitted to any comercial outfit exceeding 3.5 tonnes.

BTW it's based on MAM, not what's actually there.

Also if I remember the wierd and whacky rules correctly it has to be a new fangled didgtal style tacho now as well that has SO many complicated rules to go with them (down loading data each month) and extra money to Gordon Brown. (they cost about £45 each and last for about 5 years me thinks.)

also dont forget even if your not towing then it is still recording your speed so if you get pulled over the lovely police person can use the tacho as evidence if they stop you with you driving! All very crafty to do you for speeding 11 months after you have actualy been speeding!!!! (example) your tacho shows speeds of 65-70mph. on a tacho most you can do anywhere is 60mph. Your nicked mate!!)

[JimsMowing]

I should also point ouot to anyone who is towing for their business that the law requires a tachograph to be fitted to any comercial outfit exceeding 3.5 tonnes.

BTW it's based on MAM, not what's actually there.

Also if I remember the wierd and whacky rules correctly it has to be a new fangled didgtal style tacho now as well that has SO many complicated rules to go with them (down loading data each month) and extra money to Gordon Brown. (they cost about £45 each and last for about 5 years me thinks.)

also dont forget even if your not towing then it is still recording your speed so if you get pulled over the lovely police person can use the tacho as evidence if they stop you with you driving! All very crafty to do you for speeding 11 months after you have actualy been speeding!!!! (example) your tacho shows speeds of 65-70mph. on a tacho most you can do anywhere is 60mph. Your nicked mate!!)

Surely though when the trailer is parked away i can do any speed as long as its within the standard national laws? How will i know if i need a tacho? I can get the weight of my trailer, but how am i supposed to know the weight of its contents when it can be a multitude of equipment, and bags of grass, leaves, logs etc etc?

[Range Rover Blues]

Matters not, it's based on Maximum Allowable MAss, or as the Europrats would have it Maximumn Technically Permissable Loaded Mass.

Doesn't matter is it's empty, a 2 tonne trailer is a 2 tonne trailer.

[muddyjames]

if it is just the landy then you will be fine. no tacho needed but digital tachos record and show an error message of no card inserted so if you were to do 110mph the tacho will record it. only good thing is it cant record a name to the driver. obviously if you get pulled over and the police download data and you have been driving non stop for 2hours it is clear on who was driving. You were!!

If you have for argument sake a 3.5 tonne van with a 2.8 tonne box trailer and fill both van and trailer with feathers you will still need a tacho as the combined maximum weight the van and trailer can maximum have is over 3.5tonnes. even if you tow the trailer empty and the van empty the max you "could" have is again over 3.5 tonnes.

Get where I am kind of coming from?

With my voluntary work we are having a nightmare with all this working out the rules etc etc. I am just coming to grips now on how to get my card back out the machine!!! :lol:

[JimsMowing]

if it is just the landy then you will be fine. no tacho needed but digital tachos record and show an error message of no card inserted so if you were to do 110mph the tacho will record it. only good thing is it cant record a name to the driver. obviously if you get pulled over and the police download data and you have been driving non stop for 2hours it is clear on who was driving. You were!!

If you have for argument sake a 3.5 tonne van with a 2.8 tonne box trailer and fill both van and trailer with feathers you will still need a tacho as the combined maximum weight the van and trailer can maximum have is over 3.5tonnes. even if you tow the trailer empty and the van empty the max you "could" have is again over 3.5 tonnes.

Get where I am kind of coming from?

With my voluntary work we are having a nightmare with all this working out the rules etc etc. I am just coming to grips now on how to get my card back out the machine!!! :lol:

Ah ha! I have got you now. I drive my Disco V8 and an ifor williams gd85. Now its max payload is 2700kg. Im not sure what the disco is but will that put me over the legal threshold?

Sorry to keep going on about this!

[muddyjames]

Keep going all day. It is one of my topics of conversation I can bore people to sleep with!!

Witht he 2700kg trailer and with the disco (approx max weight also £2400kg im guessing) would mean you are certainly eligable for a tacho to be installed.

If it is for private use then dont worry about it. Example my caravan is 1700kg being towed by my disco. Although I go over the magic 3.5tonnes, because it is for private use I dont need to have a tacho.

Stupid really as a lorry driver could do 9 hours driving with 15 mins break, (Rules are slightly changing to this about now) he can then hop out and tow his own caravan in his own car for as long as he likes. barmmy. .

[JimsMowing]

Oh dear! I didnt realise that. I figured it was the actual weight of my car plus the actual weight of my trailer! So am i LEGALLY required to get one of those now? Im a gardener so its virtually day in day out i will have my trailer with me.

DAMN RULES!!

[muddyjames]

There are complex rules about builders and not needing them if they dont work further than such a distance away from thier "base". Also bus drivers who do local set routes like stage coach and school bus drivers. These kind of bus drivers in theory have a manual log of the hours being done due to the company having records of bus stop pick up's etc which say where the bus should roughly be at what time and again no further than a set distance from base.

I am not too hot with these rules as my voluntary group work all over the country so we dont bother even thinking about these rules as they wont apply to us.

Being a gardener you maybe able to be exempt from tachos as well but I wouldnt like to say yes or no.

As your disco is over a few years old you maybe able to get an analogue tacho fitted but I dont think so. advantage of an analogue tacho is it only records driving when you have a tacho card in the machine. When there is no "card" (paper version instead of a bit of plastic) it carries on recording speed etc but onto a piece of plastic which doesnt show any hours, mph etc etc.